It is not whatever. You're confusing LARP with roleplay and emergent storytelling. When events are literally happening as a result of you playing the game, then you aren't "making up a bunch of stories". Which is - ironically enough - also what happens when you're playing a PnP RolePlaying Game at the table.
I just can't take these stories seriously because I know they were just created by entropy, and the degree of player agency is really irrelevant to me, it's just how I personally feel about it. I purposefully haven't used the term "emergent storytelling" because that's not an actual thing. There's emergent gameplay but I don't think emergent storytelling has been defined yet, maybe because it's all in your head mhh
well, those bishops are pretty perverse bastards, why do you think the pawns rush to die? The queen is getting fucked by the knights unbeknown to the King who is reading porn scrolls and ancient egyptian works. Only the rooks seem unaffected except they are constantly drunk and just roll over other fucks like crazy broken russian tanks. And that's just the whites! The nigga opponents are completely different. There is more drama in chess than you think.larp, roleplay, whatever, I can have a game of chess without making up a bunch of stories about the pieces or a creating a setting for the conflict.LARP is when you're pretending that something happens when it doesn't.*cough cough* LARP
no but it's cool, great that you like them
psh, you can become evil then good then evil then good at will by doing various actions. I was really sidetracked doing that and then just killing everything.Fable was great because your char's appearance changed according to how good/evil you were based on the choices you made during the game. I think KOTOR did something similar? But it was much cooler in Fable.
Not so with Kenshi. The factions will react to certain things that you do. The main example I use is that if you build too close to Holy Nation territory, they'll send envoys to hold prayer sessions in your town. If you reject this, it pisses off the Holy Nation and it lowers your reputation with that faction. Now, if you accept, and there's non-humans in your settlement, the Holy Nation will get really pissy about that. There's more to it than that, because it's possible you built in United Cities territory, so that's good, right? Well, it is for a while, but they're at war with Holy Nation, so it's entirely possible that the city closest to you gets attacked by the Holy Nation and taken over. And now you're in Holy Nation territory.
Narrative and player agency in games exist on a continuum. The more of one you have, the less of the other. At one extreme you have table top games, where the only real limit on player agency is imagination, even the rules of the game can be broken. Games like minecraft and civilization are near this end of the spectrum, with only minimal narrative constraints. The story is just an account of what the player chose to do, it's not LARPing it's just facts about what happened.larp, roleplay, whatever, I can have a game of chess without making up a bunch of stories about the pieces or a creating a setting for the conflict. It's nice to have that in RPGs to add some variety between combats, but I prefer RPGs with shorter scripts, or if they don't have story at all I can do something else in between encounters, it doesn't have to be all crammed into one game. The """critically acclaimed""" BG3 is being shat on for being too easy, while also having very strong cinematic elements to it, also all that romance and sex shit... this is a trend I don't appreciate.LARP is when you're pretending that something happens when it doesn't.*cough cough* LARP
no but it's cool, great that you like them
It might've been BG2 that started the decline.
All these games are inherently bad because the people making them are incompetent morons. There is no fixing this.
Most of DA4 votes are probably based on the cartoony reveal trailer.
The 20 minute gameplay trailer is pozzed af. It is a game for consoletards.
I/we were talking about games like Dwarf Fortress, Kenshi and Crusader Kings. People call these games "story generators" because, despite not having a pre-defined narrative they generate stories through their simulation engine. All I'm saying is that for me personally these "machine generated stories" despite how much you as a player affected their creation, can't come close to even badly written drivel by a human. But that's just me (and many others
)That's quite the leap in logic, are you saying there are no games without a story? Because that's not the case.
No, tabletop and Minecraft aren't the same thing at all. If you play minecraft for a few hours and then that's your story, the shit that you did in the game, by all means go ahead and call that "story" but that's not what I was talking about.
It always looked terrible and never had a chance.
Still, I would've taken an even jankier game with Mitsoda, MCA and Schaffer behind it rather than whatever crap the current iteration will turn out to be. These guys are simply incapable of capturing the essence of the prior title and will just replicate the soulless state of current year WoD in video game format. And that's just settingwise, since mechanically they've already shown themselves to have no interest in trying to do an earnest mechanical adaptation of the tabletop game.
A leaked video showed that one of the quests was just The Ocean House Hotel part 2. A different kind of soulless, the nostalgia photocopy sequel.
Sure, but that's just a throwback gimmick. I'm more interested in the atmosphere and writing. Not only are MCA and Mitsoda miles ahead of anything these pygmies from TCR could come up with, but for the former it would've been much more of a labor of love in staying true to the spirit of the original game.
Nothing they showed looked impressive writing-wise and Avellone said Mitsoda rejected everything he submitted until Paradox decided they were just going to stop paying him for work that wasn't ever being used.
