People News This is About Right and Wrong: The Chris Avellone Saga Continues

[whocares]

I will not eat the bugs. I will not live in a pod. I will not use 2FA.

 

[Maximilian]

Now, be fair with me - when was the last time he has designed a narrative, for which he's so beloved? Contracting him to write individual party members is a vanity move on the part of his contractors...

.... and? Even if just with a minor role, he was still part of the industry. And even if he wasn't, his past alone is enough to make this a relevant piece of news for the users of this forum.

Moreover, minor role or not, Nok-Nok and Durance are the best written characters in their respective games. That has to count for something.

This is where I disagree vehemently. Past projects alone do not validate turning the front page into a gossip section. After all, very few (if any) of us have interacted with Chris Avellone, past the infrequent forum encounters where he appears here drunk to complain about Obsidian, instead we have played his games. Himself as a person does not concern me much. Himself as a brand of writing, sure. I'm able to discuss it, endorse it when worth endorsing, dismiss when fit for dismissal.

Frankly, talking about Avellone's legal bouts and relationship stints is symptomatic of an unhealthy shift of interests past Gamergate.

You're neither Black nor Storyfag.

Either change your avatar or fuck off.

We three are one person.

 

[NJClaw]

Past projects alone do not validate turning the front page into a gossip section.

Woah, I didn't realize how every single thread in the news section is now about this lawsuit. I thought everything was relegated to just two threads, but look at this:

 

[Maximilian]

Past projects alone do not validate turning the front page into a gossip section.

Woah, I didn't realize how every single thread in the news section is now about this lawsuit. I thought everything was relegated to just two threads, but look at this:

Spare me. Regularities stem from precedents. Await some 'news' about the Mitsodas in the near future.

 

[Larianshill]

Past projects alone do not validate turning the front page into a gossip section.

Woah, I didn't realize how every single thread in the news section is now about this lawsuit. I thought everything was relegated to just two threads, but look at this:

This is funny to me.

 

[NJClaw]

Spare me. Regularities stem from precedents. Await some 'news' about the Mitsodas in the near future.

It's all part of DU's plan to transform this site into a Taylor Swift fanclub.

 

[Maximilian]

Spare me. Regularities stem from precedents. Await some 'news' about the Mitsodas in the near future.

It's all part of DU's plan to transform this site into a Taylor Swift fanclub.

I wouldn't say there's some master plan to transform the site into anything in particular. DU has simply lost interest in games over the years and these days engages in MGTOW/idpol stuff instead.

 

[Quillon]

This guy's very enthusiastic about supporting Chris and very sure his evidence outright proves his innocence. Does it tho? In the eyes of a court does it mean something? Or is it just another thing to add to the inconsistencies with her story? Can't she say some bullshit like "I was a stupid girl back then, I understood what happened to me was wrong much later..." etc?

 

[Heroic Liberator]

Can't she say some bullshit like "I was a stupid girl back then, I understood what happened to me was wrong much later..." etc?

Tough shit, she would've still been a consenting adult back then.

 

[Black]

Past projects alone do not validate turning the front page into a gossip section.

Woah, I didn't realize how every single thread in the news section is now about this lawsuit. I thought everything was relegated to just two threads, but look at this:

Spare me. Regularities stem from precedents. Await some 'news' about the Mitsodas in the near future.

If you want to join the "Ban Infinitron" club you'll have to get in line.

 

[Forest Dweller]

The entire call was recorded. Pre-interview banter through interview, to post interview banter. During this call you can clearly hear Karissa’s affection and attraction to Chris. While the interview is public on YouTube, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lLj3YcpbV5U,

 

[Krice]

Roberta Williams, Jane Jensen, Lori Ann Cole... There were plenty of respectable women in the games industry years ago.

No, there were not. Even with women like Roberta, we don't exactly know what they did, because women then (and now) were working with men, almost never as solo developers. I guess there are some women who are actually good game developers, but they are that famous exception to a rule.

 

[Monkey Baron]

Roberta Williams, Jane Jensen, Lori Ann Cole... There were plenty of respectable women in the games industry years ago.

No, there were not. Even with women like Roberta, we don't exactly know what they did, because women then (and now) were working with men, almost never as solo developers. I guess there are some women who are actually good game developers, but they are that famous exception to a rule.

Almost every developer works with other men... I guess we don't know what *they* really did.

 

[DeepOcean]

Jane Jensen, Lori Cole, Amy Hennig are pretty good writers and mature women, that I'm sure. Looking to those three then looking to pink hair eternal teenager millenial garbage that replaced them, it is sad.

 

[Krice]

Almost every developer works with other men... I guess we don't know what *they* really did.

Exactly! I think since Dark Souls became a hit they realized that we don't need brilliant writers or developers, because people will play almost anything. So who are they going to hire? You can hire minority to virtue signal that your company is trendy. Or you can hire women (also a minority according to them) like Alanah Pearce, because why not? She has an amazing body, why wouldn't you stare at that all day rather than some chess club guy like Avellone.

 

[Storyfag]

Now, be fair with me - when was the last time he has designed a narrative, for which he's so beloved? Contracting him to write individual party members is a vanity move on the part of his contractors...

.... and? Even if just with a minor role, he was still part of the industry. And even if he wasn't, his past alone is enough to make this a relevant piece of news for the users of this forum.

Moreover, minor role or not, Nok-Nok and Durance are the best written characters in their respective games. That has to count for something.

This is where I disagree vehemently. Past projects alone do not validate turning the front page into a gossip section. After all, very few (if any) of us have interacted with Chris Avellone, past the infrequent forum encounters where he appears here drunk to complain about Obsidian, instead we have played his games. Himself as a person does not concern me much. Himself as a brand of writing, sure. I'm able to discuss it, endorse it when worth endorsing, dismiss when fit for dismissal.

Frankly, talking about Avellone's legal bouts and relationship stints is symptomatic of an unhealthy shift of interests past Gamergate.

You're neither Black nor Storyfag.

Either change your avatar or fuck off.

We three are one person.

GTFO. I have no recollection of being you. And I'm certainly not Black. I simply forgot he exists when I set my avatar to Sandro.

 

[Jedi Master Radek]

It's kind of funny that once women got interested about game development (they were not before) it all began to fall apart. Or is it just a coincidende I don't know.

Corelation does not imply causation. Games went to shit when and because they became mainstream. Mainstreamization of mechanics and gameplay was the cause of everything getting worse. More woman getting into development was just coincidental with games becoming more mainstream.

 

[Feyd Rautha]

Almost every developer works with other men... I guess we don't know what *they* really did.

Exactly! I think since Dark Souls became a hit they realized that we don't need brilliant writers or developers, because people will play almost anything. So who are they going to hire? You can hire minority to virtue signal that your company is trendy. Or you can hire women (also a minority according to them) like Alanah Pearce, because why not? She has an amazing body, why wouldn't you stare at that all day rather than some chess club guy like Avellone.

:D

 

[DeepOcean]

Women generally follow men on any field that grows over time, men go there, create the field, once the field expanded enough to support low challenge, low stress jobs, women tend to gravitate towards those jobs. This happened on the health industry and is happening on games, the major problem isnt that but that most men are fucking disgusting simps that do anything and sell their houses for a vague promise of pussy. All those stunning and brave women of color on movies and games many times werent even ideas from the women but turbo simps trying to prove who is the biggest simp.

 

[Verylittlefishes]

Now, be fair with me - when was the last time he has designed a narrative, for which he's so beloved? Contracting him to write individual party members is a vanity move on the part of his contractors...

.... and? Even if just with a minor role, he was still part of the industry. And even if he wasn't, his past alone is enough to make this a relevant piece of news for the users of this forum.

Moreover, minor role or not, Nok-Nok and Durance are the best written characters in their respective games. That has to count for something.

This is where I disagree vehemently. Past projects alone do not validate turning the front page into a gossip section. After all, very few (if any) of us have interacted with Chris Avellone, past the infrequent forum encounters where he appears here drunk to complain about Obsidian, instead we have played his games. Himself as a person does not concern me much. Himself as a brand of writing, sure. I'm able to discuss it, endorse it when worth endorsing, dismiss when fit for dismissal.

Frankly, talking about Avellone's legal bouts and relationship stints is symptomatic of an unhealthy shift of interests past Gamergate.

You just can't stand that you are so bad as a person, and it's progressing, that you can't really enjoy anymore actually amazing games like Planescape: Torment or its Spiritual Successor, CODEX GOTY 2019 Disco Elysium, so you need to invent a specific reason of accusing other people in liking cool things they like. Disguisting.

Yes, we've build a monument to Avellone for what he did 20 years ago. Honestly, he can justly retired right after that, but he gave us some other rough gems of his talent.

Don't shit on the grave of the career of the great man. We symphatise for him because we are humans. We have empathy.

 

[The_Mask]

Exactly! I think since Dark Souls became a hit they realized that we don't need brilliant writers or developers, because people will play almost anything.

This is you putting 2 and 2 together, but not really being correct. Or maybe trolling. I don't know. But I'm going to address this as you being serious.

Dark Souls had nothing to do with this. If anything, gaming became mainstream to most people, and women, somewhere along mid 2012. That coincides with a different name becoming big: Clash of Clans. If anything, all the big streamers that got their audience *from* Dark Souls fans are pretty much all male. Women became interested in Dark Souls when the 3rd one came out.

Just because indirect story-telling doesn't require much writing, that doesn't mean it doesn't require some brains behind it. Plus... Miyazaki has stated that he's fine with both direct and indirect story-telling. But then again, few women inserted a fucking Monty Python joke, and a World of WarCraft meme into a game and came out with a decent RPG, so there's that.

 

[Dycedarg]

Women generally follow men on any field that grows over time, men go there, create the field, once the field expanded enough to support low challenge, low stress jobs, women tend to gravitate towards those jobs. This happened on the health industry and is happening on games, the major problem isnt that but that most men are fucking disgusting simps that do anything and sell their houses for a vague promise of pussy. All those stunning and brave women of color on movies and games many times werent even ideas from the women but turbo simps trying to prove who is the biggest simp.

So you're saying that a videogame crash could help us get rid of both women and hipsters in the gaming industry?

Jokes aside, there is another factor that draws this army of dangerhairs into the industry: corporate culture. The truth is that men are far more interested in console and PC gaming than women and the workforce demographics should reflect that. But good luck convincing the PR department of any major company to state that basic fact. They'd rather hire a bunch talentless female hacks and promote lectures by Anita Sarkeesian in the name of diversity and inclusion. And I pity the guy who speaks out against those policies, since he'll be fired in a heartbeat and will never work in the industry again. That's how you end up with simps like Nathan Grayson and sociopaths like Neil Druckman being the (male) face of your industry.

 

[Hobo Elf]

attended Blizzcon in 2009 for the lulz (back in our disgraceful days of playing wow).

was cosplaying uh... Jaina I think?

You don't need to hide your embarrassment by pretending that you attended a nerdcon ironically, across the globe, at a very high ticket price or that you're not familiar with the character names. It's ok.

 

[DeepOcean]

So you're saying that a videogame crash could help us get rid of both women and hipsters in the gaming industry?

Honestly, a major economic crash would help on getting rid of alot of bullshit not only on the gaming industry. Most those companies are fine cosplaying about being stunning and brave caring about the gayzs but I dunno how they gonna feel when the FED and the European Central bank lose the control of this farce they call an economy.

 

[Abu Antar]