Torment Torment: Tides of Numenera Beta Thread [GAME RELEASED, GO TO NEW THREAD]

[Irenaeus]

They should have cut Lando and Emo Aligern

 

[Fairfax]

There you have it, folks. You're welcome.

 

[IHaveHugeNick]

Right, but Colin McBald already said there will be no DLCs, so....

 

[ushas]

so, director's cut?

 

[Kem0sabe]

Sea on the official forum:

Hi guys,

The companion roster has been slightly reduced from our initial plans. Throughout development on Torment, our philosophy has always emphasized depth and reactivity in our storyline and in our characters. We know you would not be satisfied with anything else. During development, we found that the more far reaching and reactive our companions were, the better they felt and the more justice it did to the original Planescape: Torment. This trade-off meant we were able to add more companion conversations, banter, voice-over, quests, and story endings. We did not want to leave some companions feeling shallow, with storylines that felt incomplete, or be forced to shove them into the late game.

That said, we certainly haven't shut the door on Torment’s development. We still have a lot of early work done on other companions and are open to continuing to work on the game. We can say that any DLCs or expansions that we put out will always be free to our backers of that game, so there is no need to worry about paying for any additional content in Torment.

What a bunch of cunts, waiting a month to release, to share this info, and still no word on the second city hub...

 

[StaticSpine]

So... they decided to cut the most interesting companion and leave only boring humans as party members?

 

[Abu Antar]

 

[Fairfax]

https://forums.inxile-entertainment.com/viewtopic.php?f=36&p=179290#p179290

Hey everyone. The Oasis is still represented in the game, and as some of you have pointed out, we've shown it several times before in screenshots and media.

You may have noticed we've been showing off the Bloom a lot lately, and that's no coincidence. Despite being one of the earliest locations we showed, the Bloom was originally intended to be smaller than it ended up being. Though we initially planned for the Oasis to be our second major story hub, over time our fascination with the Bloom's darker, more Tormenty feel, led to it being recast as the game's second major city hub instead. We felt creatively this was the right thing to do, and the change did not shorten the gameplay experience.

As a result, the Oasis ended up taking on a smaller role, but you will still be able to visit it during the game.

It's not gone, but it's probably just the Sunken Market and the Meres, like I said earlier.

 

[FeelTheRads]

Meh, so the majority of the game will take place in Sagus and Bloom.
This is as disappointing as finding out that PST was essentially done after Curst.

And fuck meres, they're not replacements for actual game areas.

 

[Iluvcheezcake]

What a bunch of deceivers. I'm so glad i didnt back this shit

 

[Deleted member 7219]

Looks like CMcC paid a visit to AngryJoe.

 

[Zombra]

And fuck meres, they're not replacements for actual game areas.

Uhhh. What is an "actual game area"?

 

[FeelTheRads]

An area in which you move and do stuff?
And I don't mean necessarily visual areas, text games also have game areas in which you move and.. do stuff.

The meres, cool as the may be, are not much more than pimped up scripted dialogues.

 

[Irenaeus]

So... they decided to cut the most interesting companion and leave only boring humans as party members?

Like I said in other thread, they should have cut gay Lando and emo Aligern, but SJW priorities go in opposite direction to fun.

 

[Infinitron]

I did a decent job raising some hell on the inXile forums and getting us answers, eh?

 

[Infinitron]

https://forums.inxile-entertainment.com/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=17038&p=179289#p179289

Thanks for the feedback!

One thing to keep in mind is we're still a relatively small team. Compared to other studios like Larian and Obsidian, we've got half or fewer people. We don't have a dedicated PR person or community manager.

Instead, the people who are working on the games directly are the ones you are actually speaking to and hearing from. This gives you guys a pretty direct line of communication to us. However, the flip-side of this openness is that during busy times, things start to get pretty crazy. Torment is headed towards release, and with Bard's Tale we're cranking away on showing you some really cool stuff. That means it's all hands on deck.

During times like these there are a hundred balls that we have to keep on juggling, and so if it seems like we're not quite as talkative as we are at some points, that's almost always why. Although I'd love to be able to say we have a master plan with our communications, or some very specific policy we're following to the letter, the answer is a bit less glamorous and comes down more to practical realities.

Everyone at inXile is a gamer too, and we fully understand the passions and appetite for info you guys have. We always try to do what we can to keep you informed, but I hope this gives some insight into why things can get a bit quiet sometimes.

 

[Fairfax]

Also kemosabe's thread on reddit was the most active that sub had been in a while, plus people tweeting at them.

Worth mentioning that it took them 14 days to respond even with that pressure. Seems clear to me that if nobody bothered to look into the game's files, they would've been happy to keep it a secret until release.

 

[Prime Junta]

In re oasis -> Bloom

In the setting book, the oasis was one of the most disappointing areas. It was incoherent, poorly thought-out, and a painfully transparent allegory for current political events. I hated it.

The Bloom OTOH was head and shoulders above anything else in it, and has been the one area I have still held some hope for.

I.e. Kickstarter promises aside, if what they're saying is true and they really did make the Bloom that much bigger, deeper, and better by dumping most of the Oasis, then that counts as in my book.

Not being up-front about this is still a major dick move. If you don't want to commit to something, don't fucking make it a stretch goal, and if you accidentally did, let us know immediately if you decide to change it.

 

[Abu Antar]

https://forums.inxile-entertainment.com/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=17038&p=179289#p179289

Thanks for the feedback!

One thing to keep in mind is we're still a relatively small team. Compared to other studios like Larian and Obsidian, we've got half or fewer people. We don't have a dedicated PR person or community manager.

Instead, the people who are working on the games directly are the ones you are actually speaking to and hearing from. This gives you guys a pretty direct line of communication to us. However, the flip-side of this openness is that during busy times, things start to get pretty crazy. Torment is headed towards release, and with Bard's Tale we're cranking away on showing you some really cool stuff. That means it's all hands on deck.

During times like these there are a hundred balls that we have to keep on juggling, and so if it seems like we're not quite as talkative as we are at some points, that's almost always why. Although I'd love to be able to say we have a master plan with our communications, or some very specific policy we're following to the letter, the answer is a bit less glamorous and comes down more to practical realities.

Everyone at inXile is a gamer too, and we fully understand the passions and appetite for info you guys have. We always try to do what we can to keep you informed, but I hope this gives some insight into why things can get a bit quiet sometimes.

Then why the hell do they have three projects going on at once? Possibly four.

 

[Rev]

In re oasis -> Bloom

In the setting book, the oasis was one of the most disappointing areas. It was incoherent, poorly thought-out, and a painfully transparent allegory for current political events. I hated it.

The Bloom OTOH was head and shoulders above anything else in it, and has been the one area I have still held some hope for.

I.e. Kickstarter promises aside, if what they're saying is true and they really did make the Bloom that much bigger, deeper, and better by dumping most of the Oasis, then that counts as in my book.

Not being up-front about this is still a major dick move. If you don't want to commit to something, don't fucking make it a stretch goal, and if you accidentally did, let us know immediately if you decide to change it.

You're probably right, if only because the Bloom is Ziets' child which makes it automatically more interesting than anything else in the game, but that's beside the point.
They're behaving terribly to their backers, they're breaking promises made during the KS, promises that helped them get more money. And worst of all, they're acting shady as fuck and they would've stayed silent till release, if nobody managed to dig the files and find out by himself.
It's not even the first time that we get this kind of shit from inXile, which only makes it worse.

 

[Ivan]

 

[Fairfax]

I.e. Kickstarter promises aside, if what they're saying is true and they really did make the Bloom that much bigger, deeper, and better by dumping most of the Oasis, then that counts as in my book.

I doubt it. The new Bloom footage doesn't look like a major city at all, and their own estimates for the game's length have gone down. Fargo used to say 70-80, today Colin said 45-50. I think that's just a positive spin to the major cut.
Also, if the Bloom became as ambitious as the Oasis was supposed to be, they would've gladly told backers about it and shared details to get them excited. Instead they mention this in passing while addressing fan pressure.

Not being up-front about this is still a major dick move. If you don't want to commit to something, don't fucking make it a stretch goal, and if you accidentally did, let us know immediately if you decide to change it.

Not to mention cutting a major city is not a decision they made recently, specially if the Bloom becoming bigger as a result is true. That was definitely decided long ago.

 

[Infinitron]

Hiding information is one thing. I'd prefer to believe that Brother None isn't outright lying to us a month before the game's release.

 

[Prime Junta]

Yeah that was a big "if." I am pissed off at them, I did throw over a hundred bucks at them.

 

[FeelTheRads]

Hiding information is one thing. I'd prefer to believe that Brother None isn't outright lying to us a month before the game's release.

How will you be able to tell? Nobody has played through the Bloom (conveniently left out of the beta) so no matter how big or small it is they can say it's totally bigger than in was initially.