Torment Torment: Tides of Numenera Beta Thread [GAME RELEASED, GO TO NEW THREAD]

[Lurker King]

I'd be willing to write something up if the Codex would be willing to publish it, but I'd need help making a comprehensive list of sources and information regarding the many disparate issues, because it's currently a mess trying to sort out facts from speculation, especially since the RPGCodex has a tradition of XBOXHUEG threads.

Even if they ignore the article, you should just do it anyway. You can always post it on the general cRPG forum and we can repost it on the web. This is would important to let people know what kind of dishonest studio they are dealing with. Even on the Codex there are still too many posters who ignored what’s happened and cuckhold mentality among the staff. In fact, I think that any big kickstarter should have their own detailed editorial, comparing what was promised, how they reacted to feedback and what was delivered. Let's make this a new monocled tradition. It would be good to make them accountable and maintain the standards. Right now kickstarter is a license to steal backers money and dumbdown the genre with shallow games.

 

[Lurker King]

TEG: Are there any developers and/or game designers that you are excited by creatively? In your opinion, who should we pay close attention to?

VDW: Right now? inXile. They have the right experience and creative freedom (aka “we don’t need no stinking badges Real Time with Pause”) to do what they want.

...there was good reason for it. I do think that their future is murky now and they need to shape up fast.

I don't think VD would say the same thing after T:ToN consoletard edition and Fargo's dickery behaviour.

 

[Once more unto the Codex]

Can we please stop being bitches about hypothetical "censorship"? If a detailed and well-reasearched/sourced article is written about this between now and release date and submitted for posting but rejected by Infinitron, then we can return to this bitch-fest. I swear it was only a few weeks ago that codex put up Roxor's detailed lyrical gangbanging of half the industry on the front page. I actually really do hope someone writes an article as good as that one about this NuTorment fiasco...

 

[Grotesque]

How the fuck would you write a balanced article on this

Simple. Have you ever watched Euronews?

 

[Maculo]

Yeah, I don't get why Infinitron is still kinda defending inXile after all the shit they pulled. They even used him as an excuse to cancel an interview with Bubbles, saying he leaked data when he didn't really revealed any confidential informations, and outright lied to him (as the famous "tier 1" line and all the "no, you're not blacklisted, we just don't want to have anything to do with you anymore" chats he had with Brother None), so if anything he should be even more angry at them than the rest of us.

So that InXile lowers its guard enough that he can strike a mortal blow on Brother None.

I guess after trying out the Beta it's too late for a refund?
Or are they honest enough about their shortcomings?

Not sure, InXile support told me that my refund would be processed soon. That was last week.

Edit: If we can have an entire article dedicated to a decline in RPG writing, why not one on broken kickstarter promises?

 

[fobia]

Thanks for answering Maculo , I will at least try.

 

[Maculo]

Thanks for answering Maculo , I will at least try.

Go for it, but do not expect much. The support staff I communicated went silent after this:

"Hi ---------,

Thanks for getting in touch. I'd be able to get you a refund on your pledge, however, I should note since you already claimed your Wasteland 2 Steam key, I would have to deduct $20 off the value of your refund (which is about what we valued WL2 at with respect to our reward levels for Torment).

If that sounds okay with you, can you please let me know your current PayPal account email address? Thanks!

Best,
Eric
inXile Entertainment"

That was 8 days ago, and since then I gave the requested information, plus two emails asking for updates. Nothing.

 

[t]

They went silent on all fronts. Nobody got any responses last week. Interesting.

 

[Popiel]

Maybe they killed themselves out of shame.

 

[Father Foreskin]

I have been following the star citizen thing for a while despite not being a backer. There has been rumours about staff being told to go "turtle mode" and not to pay attention to the negative shit accumulating. There is probably some reasoning behind it like creating a major announcement or update and hoping it will be enough to make some backers stop with the refunds. Its easier than trifling with thousands of people individually. I dont think it will work though. Inxile might be attempting something similar

 

[Russia is over. The end.]

however, I should note since you already claimed your Wasteland 2 Steam key, I would have to deduct $20 off the value of your refund (which is about what we valued WL2

Everybody has this trash in their steam account. Twenty dollars... It's worth maybe 3.

 

[Maculo]

Everybody has this trash in their steam account. Twenty dollars... It's worth maybe 3.

What annoys me is that I processed the key, but I do not remember ever touching the game. $20 not well spent. Granted, so long as I receive some of my pledge back, I will be satisfied.

 

[Infinitron]

I have been following the star citizen thing for a while despite not being a backer. There has been rumours about staff being told to go "turtle mode" and not to pay attention to the negative shit accumulating. There is probably some reasoning behind it like creating a major announcement or update and hoping it will be enough to make some backers stop with the refunds. Its easier than trifling with thousands of people individually. I dont think it will work though. Inxile might be attempting something similar

But actually since Wasteland 3 and Bard's Tale IV have recently gotten new crowdfunding updates it is possible Torment is going to get one soon as well.

 

[cruelio]

no wonder InePtile people ran away from this place and pretend we never existed.

Actually you'll find it's because they scammed this place repeatedly and have realized all you need to do to get money out of here is promise to put in super funny codex references into their game.

It was the natural reaction, really, considering that the Codex has standards.

They might be questionable standards, but at least they're there.

Obsidian & inXile are both now firmly in the same echo-chamber. California needs to be fucking gassed.

The fabled high standards of the rpg codex, giving money from day one to Brian Fargo the man who single handedly mismanaged Interplay into the ground and whose name became so toxic he had to turn to begging like a common Tim Schafer because everyone with a brain had already realized what a charlatan he was. "You know that guy who spent literally millions of dollars to add cinematics to SIM FUCKING CITY? We should give this man our money" the brain trust called the RPG codex told itself, content that its high standards had finally feretted out a winner.

 

[Father Foreskin]

But actually since Wasteland 3 and Bard's Tale IV have recently gotten new crowdfunding updates it is possible Torment is going to get one soon as well.

I hope so. The content that is still there shows some promise. The cuts and the non-communication suck turtlefuck but the game is 90% done. This game could still be good

 

[Haplo]

FO2, VtM:B or MotB. Hm... come think of it, I've never touched any of those. :lol

FO2 and VTM:B = You're really missing out
MotB = ...wait for a rainy day.

I'd fix that:
FO2 = You're really missing out
MotB = Yeah, you should really play it sometime. NWN isn't so bad as some people make it. Even NWN2.

VTM:B = Do you like FPP Adventure Games? With terrible FPP combat? Personally I couldn't play more then half an hour. Sure, the covenants are very cool, but it's definitely not for me.


More on topic: Wonder how far will this trainwreck go... It's really akin to keeping discovering corpses in one's closet...

 

[2house2fly]

Man, when I first saw this thread I intended to just have a quick poke through it to see what the hardcore fans thought of the Torment successor; I had no idea things would get this juicy.

 

[pippin]

dev diaries and crowdfunding were a mistake

 

[Luckmann]

By the way, regarding how I mentioned how I felt that the fact that there's only Foci for 8 CNPC:s indicates that they never had any intention to actually make 9 CNPC:s as promised?

Well, I'm flipping through the "Torment: Tides of Numenera - The Explorer's Guide" supplement for the Numenera RPG, and it's actually got tons of spoilerish information (I'm not reading too closely, because despite it all, I don't want to be spoiled - I doubt there's much that'll happen in the game that's very earth-shattering, though, anyway; they basically spill everything in the first 30 minutes of the game).

But, relating to my aforementioned point, the book actually has detailed profiles for... 7 NPC:s! Matkina, Aligern, Riastrad, Satsada, Callistege, Tybir, and Erritis. With Oom the Toy, that makes 8!

Given how long it takes to actually make and print a book like this, and the fact that it was released in Summer 2016, they've known full well since at least early 2016 that there would not be 9 companions, no way, no how, and gives further weight to my theory (as if the complete absence of it in the data wasn't enough) that they never did any work on the 9th "mystery" character at all. It likely never made it out of pre-production.

 

[Infinitron]

By the way, regarding how I mentioned how I felt that the fact that there's only Foci for 8 CNPC:s indicates that they never had any intention to actually make 9 CNPC:s as promised?

Well, I'm flipping through the "Torment: Tides of Numenera - The Explorer's Guide" supplement for the Numenera RPG, and it's actually got tons of spoilerish information (I'm not reading too closely, because despite it all, I don't want to be spoiled - I doubt there's much that'll happen in the game that's very earth-shattering, though, anyway; they basically spill everything in the first 30 minutes of the game).

But, relating to my aforementioned point, the book actually has detailed profiles for... 7 NPC:s! Matkina, Aligern, Riastrad, Satsada, Callistege, Tybir, and Erritis. With Oom the Toy, that makes 8!

Given how long it takes to actually make and print a book like this, and the fact that it was released in Summer 2016, they've known full well since at least early 2016 that there would not be 9 companions, no way, no how, and gives further weight to my theory (as if the complete absence of it in the data wasn't enough) that they never did any work on the 9th "mystery" character at all. It likely never made it out of pre-production.

One of the companions was cut very early. I think one of the developers actually admitted it right here on the Codex, although we may have believed at the time that companion would be replaced by another one.

EDIT - Here we go: http://www.rpgcodex.net/forums/inde...-go-to-new-thread.79051/page-334#post-3493150

 

[agris]

The boy and the nano seem new. But does that mean the beggar and ultradimensional traveler were cut? Or maybe they're actually the same characters, repurposed?

I think the ultradimensional traveler is the same character as the nano, with some revisions/refinements. The crippled beggar is still in our design, but he didn't make the companion cut, hence his disappearance from that particular list

The companion cut. September 18th, 2014.

 

[Infinitron]

One could technically argue that the stretch goals were not for the overall number of companions, but for those particular companions that were added with each one (eg, Avellone and Rothfuss' companions), so cutting the game's "base" companions would be okay even though it reduces the total number of them.

That still leaves you with The Toy who was explicitly a stretch goal, though.

 

[a cut of domestic sheep prime]

So, backers: is this game good or garbage.

 

[Kev Inkline]

At least there are still fine folks out there, at a time when we could all do with some good news

>_>

So you just had to vote Torment to make it pass the colony ship. Quite manipulative:
(enlargened from the quote)

 

[DemonKing]

I don't get what the big deal is...politicians promise me stuff all the time before elections but they rarely deliver (and I don't even get the option not to pay them).

I'll be happy if Torment is a good game. If they can deliver a decent title, whatever they add/cut/modify up to the point of release doesn't worry me.