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The prerelease threads are usually bigger than the post release threads for the really casual stuff.
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Maybe because if it is not popamole they actually are too busy playing it instead of shitposting.
Classic day at Codex
: Disco Elysium is the best story for storyfags since Planescape: Torment.
: Fanboys won't shut up about their linear VN.
: Underrail is the best post-apocalyptic isometry after Fallout.
: Fanboys won't shut up about their spreadsheet simulator
: Pathfinder: Kingmaker is both Baldur's Gates crammed into one game.
: Fanboys won't shut up about their bugged russian trash.
: Last 10 years were nothing but a pure decline. Our money are best spent at kickstarting Numanuma, Wastelands and Pillars, and our time - at bitching about how shitty they turned out.
: Disco Elysium is the best story for storyfags since Planescape: Torment. : Fanboys won't shut up about their linear VN.: Underrail is the best post-apocalyptic isometry after Fallout. : Fanboys won't shut up about their spreadsheet simulator: Pathfinder: Kingmaker is both Baldur's Gates crammed into one game. : Fanboys won't shut up about their bugged russian trash.: Last 10 years were nothing but a pure decline. Our money are best spent at kickstarting Numanuma, Wastelands and Pillars, and our time - at bitching about how shitty they turned out.
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Sigourn
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Old-ish RPGs vs Modern RPGs thoughts
I've come to the conclusion old school RPGs are the shit. Their graphics aren't as good and the controls aren't as tight, but their artstyles and clever gameplay is leagues ahead of what we have now. Also they don't all spoon feed you, I'm playing Fable and Divinity 2. Both of which I sort of expected to be a chore to playthrough due to how old they were affecting the controls and the graphics. However after the initial tutorial and beginning stages I've had a blast.
Long wall of text warning
Fable example my first example, at first the combat/controls made me mad as they were designed in the sameway as Witcher 3 but not near as snappy and instant, making it much more difficult to defeat enemies. Also unlike Witcher 3 the enemies weren't as nice and would oftentimes attack you much faster and one after the other.
But then I got used to the timing and soon I'm having a blast. Knowing that if I took the timing to be closer to the Witchers, I'd fucked up and have to take the beating from the enemy until I had enough time to get back on my feet. Then the other gameplay elements came out, being able to talk to everyone in the city with emotes, gather crowds, have titles, and all of it effecting your social status. The housing and having a legitimate economy with you being able to buy houses and rent them, shops (or whorehouses) is pretty cool and not seen in a lot of modern RPGs imo.
Also, taking a character from childhood to their olden years? One of the best things never done in an RPG. I absolutely love it. And while I do wish they toned down how fast you aged, I really liked looking back on a mural of 8 year old me, to the grizzled 65 year old veteran having saved the world again in the epilogue of the main story.
Divinity 2 is my second example because a lot of what drove Fable for me was the charm in that it didn't take itself too seriously. I was dreading Divinity 2 because I thought it might not age as well with it's world seeming to resemble more of a realism style. Boy was I wrong. Not long in I fell in love with the writing (albeit cheesy at times). I didn't realize how much I missed the generic fantasy genre. I am a sucker for dragons though so not surprised, but the world just drew me with a unique - but strangely generic - style all at once.
But I didn't fully enjoy Divinity 2 until a bit longer in and with some use of the developers console to add me some levels so I didn't spend so long getting butchered in the beginning. I did show some restraint though and only used as necessary to gain the majority of the vanilla experience and now that I'm in the middle of the game I absolutely love it. The characters are all fascinating with multiple villains and a decent amount of choice. While the choices don't make a huge impact on the world (yet anyways) It is still nice to have the choice because of how well wrote the questlines and characters are.
Divinity 2 also does not hold your hand as much as modern games, and while I hated it at first, I love it now. It's nice being able to just actually explore the map while trying to level up (more on that later) and it all be actually new and unknown unlike modern games where it's all on your compass or map already. There is a map with the marker however but it gives a very general layout that wont always get you right where you need to be and I think it strikes a good balance in general.
Also thank god for having everything not level with you. It does seem to to a certain extent but not ridiculously like Skyrim, and I know if I go to far one way I'm about to get my ass kicked. But when I got back having leveled up to a earlier area and I feel like a badass with my new combat abilities, it's worth it and actually feels like progression. Also what tops it all off is it straight up lets you be a dragon. Whenever you want almost. I expected it to be scripted but nope. Whenever. That's amazing.
Summary
You might think after that rant I think modern RPGs are awful which isn't true. Skyrim, Outer Worlds, Witcher 3, and dare I call it an RPG Assassins Creed Odyssey are great games. But now in the age where most games are going open world, with upgrading perks and such, I think it's a time for RPG games to go back to what made them fun and unique and come up with creative ideas that break the mold and made them charming in the first place. And not just in having tons of dialogue and choices, but also emergent gameplay like becoming a dragon, or having a character that ages and shows scars from battle. I'm glad I took the shot at these older RPGs because I have had a blast and hope the newer RPG developers look at these old games and not just the newest graphics and say "lets outdue them". These games didn't need super complex systems interacting with each other or ultra realistic graphics, just pure fun gameplay options such as being a freakin dragon or gathering crowds through your fame and emotes. Nothing complicated or complex, just fun.
I've come to the conclusion old school RPGs are the shit. Their graphics aren't as good and the controls aren't as tight, but their artstyles and clever gameplay is leagues ahead of what we have now. Also they don't all spoon feed you, I'm playing Fable and Divinity 2. Both of which I sort of expected to be a chore to playthrough due to how old they were affecting the controls and the graphics. However after the initial tutorial and beginning stages I've had a blast.
Long wall of text warning
Fable example my first example, at first the combat/controls made me mad as they were designed in the sameway as Witcher 3 but not near as snappy and instant, making it much more difficult to defeat enemies. Also unlike Witcher 3 the enemies weren't as nice and would oftentimes attack you much faster and one after the other.
But then I got used to the timing and soon I'm having a blast. Knowing that if I took the timing to be closer to the Witchers, I'd fucked up and have to take the beating from the enemy until I had enough time to get back on my feet. Then the other gameplay elements came out, being able to talk to everyone in the city with emotes, gather crowds, have titles, and all of it effecting your social status. The housing and having a legitimate economy with you being able to buy houses and rent them, shops (or whorehouses) is pretty cool and not seen in a lot of modern RPGs imo.
Also, taking a character from childhood to their olden years? One of the best things never done in an RPG. I absolutely love it. And while I do wish they toned down how fast you aged, I really liked looking back on a mural of 8 year old me, to the grizzled 65 year old veteran having saved the world again in the epilogue of the main story.
Divinity 2 is my second example because a lot of what drove Fable for me was the charm in that it didn't take itself too seriously. I was dreading Divinity 2 because I thought it might not age as well with it's world seeming to resemble more of a realism style. Boy was I wrong. Not long in I fell in love with the writing (albeit cheesy at times). I didn't realize how much I missed the generic fantasy genre. I am a sucker for dragons though so not surprised, but the world just drew me with a unique - but strangely generic - style all at once.
But I didn't fully enjoy Divinity 2 until a bit longer in and with some use of the developers console to add me some levels so I didn't spend so long getting butchered in the beginning. I did show some restraint though and only used as necessary to gain the majority of the vanilla experience and now that I'm in the middle of the game I absolutely love it. The characters are all fascinating with multiple villains and a decent amount of choice. While the choices don't make a huge impact on the world (yet anyways) It is still nice to have the choice because of how well wrote the questlines and characters are.
Divinity 2 also does not hold your hand as much as modern games, and while I hated it at first, I love it now. It's nice being able to just actually explore the map while trying to level up (more on that later) and it all be actually new and unknown unlike modern games where it's all on your compass or map already. There is a map with the marker however but it gives a very general layout that wont always get you right where you need to be and I think it strikes a good balance in general.
Also thank god for having everything not level with you. It does seem to to a certain extent but not ridiculously like Skyrim, and I know if I go to far one way I'm about to get my ass kicked. But when I got back having leveled up to a earlier area and I feel like a badass with my new combat abilities, it's worth it and actually feels like progression. Also what tops it all off is it straight up lets you be a dragon. Whenever you want almost. I expected it to be scripted but nope. Whenever. That's amazing.
Summary
You might think after that rant I think modern RPGs are awful which isn't true. Skyrim, Outer Worlds, Witcher 3, and dare I call it an RPG Assassins Creed Odyssey are great games. But now in the age where most games are going open world, with upgrading perks and such, I think it's a time for RPG games to go back to what made them fun and unique and come up with creative ideas that break the mold and made them charming in the first place. And not just in having tons of dialogue and choices, but also emergent gameplay like becoming a dragon, or having a character that ages and shows scars from battle. I'm glad I took the shot at these older RPGs because I have had a blast and hope the newer RPG developers look at these old games and not just the newest graphics and say "lets outdue them". These games didn't need super complex systems interacting with each other or ultra realistic graphics, just pure fun gameplay options such as being a freakin dragon or gathering crowds through your fame and emotes. Nothing complicated or complex, just fun.
There are is no SJW conspiracy...
Wyatt_Derp
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And Oblivion is better than Skyrim and Morrowind put together.
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Clearly Elder Scrolls Online outdoes them all.
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3D > restrictive 2D for top down gameplay and its not ugly at all, hasn't been for a looong time.
4 dimensions should be even better tho...
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Ur momma ain't complaining
Sigourn
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Wizardry style turn-based combat (party-based with characters separated in front and back rows and fighting groups of enemies) > turn-based tactical combat
The "tactical" aspect made Fallout a slog because quite often there's nothing tactical about this kind of combat. It's usually a matter of exploiting bad AI and resorting to cheap tactics to defeat that which you wouldn't be able to defeat otherwise.
The "tactical" aspect made Fallout a slog because quite often there's nothing tactical about this kind of combat. It's usually a matter of exploiting bad AI and resorting to cheap tactics to defeat that which you wouldn't be able to defeat otherwise.
Which happens to be what the greatest tacticians in military history did to win their battles.
Van-d-all
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Everyone knows that CivVI has the best BR.
OH MON DIEU, they made an ad showing people getting ready for a GAY PRIDE. JUMP SHIP!!! NUKE IT FROM ORBIT!!! IT IS THE END OF THE WORLD !!! EMPEROR OF MANKING PROTECT US ALL!!!
C'mon dude, it's just an ad, that failed to make want buy Sprite. Also there is no can of Sprite in there so basic "ad 101 lesson" failed.
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Wyatt_Derp
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OH MON DIEU, they made an ad showing people getting ready for a GAY PRIDE. JUMP SHIP!!! NUKE IT FROM ORBIT!!! IT IS THE END OF THE WORLD !!! EMPEROR OF MANKING PROTECT US ALL!!!
C'mon dude, it's just an ad, that failed to make want buy Sprite. Also there is no can of Sprite in there so basic "ad 101 lesson" failed.
Double triggered combo! I even managed to squeeze a bunch of CAPS!!! from ya.
But you showed anger, and that's a good start. Anger helps eliminate excessive soy in the body. Certainly burns calories from all those Sprite carbs.
It's just an ad until your brainwashed son is getting gangbanged by three black dudes in truckstop bathroom. Enablers like you letting shit like this slide are the reason this society is going to hell.
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