Tyranny + Bastard's Wound Expansion Thread

[Bubbles]

Yes, she had a chant time reduction ability that continuously stacked on save/load until her songs applied several times per second. The first patch fixed that, but only for new games.

 

[Psquit]

Arcanum universe shit all over Tranny.

 

[Lacrymas]

Regular John Does only work when the character is a blank slate with no background, while a character with a background doesn't work as a blank slate. Tyranny (and not only) tries to combine both a blank slate and a background and surprise, surprise it doesn't work, it goes into CHOSEN ONE territory very fast. KotOR2 worked because the main character had a background from which the conflict can bounce off from and go forward, the PC isn't actually a blank slate in that game. If you had an exploration of how the PC in Tyranny became a representative of the Court and the conflict was somehow tied to that, then great, but a "YOU ARE A SPECIAL LITTLE SNOWFLAKE " narrative is retarded and I have no idea why devs haven't learned that by now. What we have now is a character which isn't affected by its own background and position within the hierarchy, so there is no way to build drama on that and the next logical step (for Absurdian) is going for a chosen one. That is why you aren't feeling that you are an actual authority figure and the story doesn't follow naturally from that.

 

[oneself]

Am I the only one that found the writing and lore behind Tyranny universe to be good?

Eh, its not bad. would have prefered to start as a regular john doe instead of the chosen one, but it gives the player a good excuse to murder tons of people and take their stuff. From an rpg standpoint it does its job.

I can see how regular joe doesn't have much branching from RP perspective. You will probably be enslaved or killed. Funny how all in all RPG PC are extraordinary yet people hate it when that fact is shown in plain sight.

 

[Kutulu]

Codex ruined me, whenever i fly over the index page to find something interesting i tend to read Tranny whenever Tyranny comes up....

 

[Ludo Lense]

Am I the only one that found the writing and lore behind Tyranny universe to be good?

Eh, its not bad. would have prefered to start as a regular john doe instead of the chosen one, but it gives the player a good excuse to murder tons of people and take their stuff. From an rpg standpoint it does its job.

I can see how regular joe doesn't have much branching from RP perspective. You will probably be enslaved or killed. Funny how all in all RPG PC are extraordinary yet people hate it when that fact is shown in plain sight.

There is an interesting case regarding rape in Tunon's court at one point where a fatebinder is put on trial. I could only think "Man going around and doing my fatebinder job while answering to my uncaring demigod boss would have been far more interesting than hoping around to resolve magical nukes".

Tyranny is not a story about moral dilemmas, the atrocities of war, the validity of invading as a civlizational force or even a story about evil winning.

No, Tyranny is a story about Snowflake Mcprotagonist becoming strong enough to face Big Bad Despot either because he/she want to be the new Big Bad Despot or he/she wants to larp Braveheart and shout "FREEDOM!

 

[ilitarist]

Regular John Does only work when the character is a blank slate with no background, while a character with a background doesn't work as a blank slate. Tyranny (and not only) tries to combine both a blank slate and a background and surprise, surprise it doesn't work, it goes into CHOSEN ONE territory very fast. KotOR2 worked because the main character had a background from which the conflict can bounce off from and go forward, the PC isn't actually a blank slate in that game. If you had an exploration of how the PC in Tyranny became a representative of the Court and the conflict was somehow tied to that, then great, but a "YOU ARE A SPECIAL LITTLE SNOWFLAKE " narrative is retarded and I have no idea why devs haven't learned that by now. What we have now is a character which isn't affected by its own background and position within the hierarchy, so there is no way to build drama on that and the next logical step (for Absurdian) is going for a chosen one. That is why you aren't feeling that you are an actual authority figure and the story doesn't follow naturally from that.

There's good in-game justifications for main character being so great. Similarly to Morrowind, heroes are defined by circumstances here. You hear about Archonts being just right people in a right place once and then snowballing into a demi-god state. Player character is merely an agent at the start of the game, you meet many agents with the same title, circumstances and combination of some magic made them special just as Ashe or Voices.

Oh please, pretty please, disprove my argument, please, show me the logical missteps. Instead of throwing that retarded line prove.me.wrong.
Fucking retard

Your arguments lose any possible merit when you present them like that. But if you insist - combat in Infinity Engine games can only be compared to Tyranny if you forgive them many things due to their age. Even then this combat system has no decisions or skill really, there's only acquired knowledge. Not once will those games force you to think about your decisions in combat, you either know exactly what to do or do the wrong thing and instantly understand what to do next. So when you talk about say, golems requiring you to use blunt weapons - it's still the same encounter as any other, nothing interesting happens after first time you encounter those golems or read about them in manual. Tyranny combat may be repetetive but there are actual decisions to make here. You do use different abilities, consumables and combos depending on the situation. It's a simulated combat with an AI, not a puzzle you solved 10 times as in the case of any IE games and, frankly, almost every top-down real-time with pause RPG before Pillars of Eternity.

 

[Excidium II]

It was better tbh. By virtue of having less busywork.

Isn't that what AI and easy/normal mode is for?

Too braindead for me. That's the problem with combat this game. Either it plays by itself or you have to control it too much.

 

[Excidium II]

4) If you go to Tunon first he teleports there, didn't know those two cancelled out.

Spoiler

Yep, if you go to the library first on Bleden's behalf, it auto-fails your quest to meet with Tuon.

Yeah that I know, I went there first because it was closer but then reloaded when the quest failed. Not very well informed.

 

[hell bovine]

XP. It allows you to improve your stats and abilities, which affect the players's tools in and out of combat. Since players should be expected gain knowledge and improve over time, they should be rewarded with better and/or improved tools.

And Tyranny's don't? BG2 Warriors gain a THAC0 reduction, a few HPs, +ApR once in a blue moon, and a wasteful amount of proficiency points. Thieves gain a few skill points to distribute on utility skills and an increased backstab modifier. Spellcasters gain a few spells slots and some lore. There is not a single Lore check in BG2 dialogue. There is not a single rogue skill check in BG2 dialogue. The checks on a chars physique and prowess (Str/Dex) are non-existent in BG2 dialogue. How many of these sorts of qualifiers show up in Tyranny?

I wouldn't cite Tyranny's skill checks as a positive example of rewarding character progression, since all the checks in the game are level scaled. Your primary reward for getting higher skills is getting tougher checks.

Is it though? I find the entire experience & skill system quite confusing*, but it seems that the experience you get is related to how high your skills are. What I'd like to know is if this "level scaling" in dialogue checks nets your character more/less/same experience if you pass a check.

* the result of which is that my spell-spamming mage has out-leveled the rest of his party

 

[Popiel]

* the result of which is that my spell-spamming mage has out-leveled the rest of his party

That's interesting. My main was also a mage, and he had lowest level in party, Barik in fact had highest, and the gap was widening constantly throughout the game.

 

[hell bovine]

* the result of which is that my spell-spamming mage has out-leveled the rest of his party

That's interesting. My main was also a mage, and he had lowest level in party, Barik in fact had highest, and the gap was widening constantly throughout the game.

I don't think this is dependent on class, but rather the amount of skills you use. Every time you level up a skill you get "character level up" experience (from what I understand, which is not much ). I've used my mage as a "lab bunny" to test different spell schools, which is why he has gained a lot of skill increases. By comparison I've had Lantry use just illusion and healing, and as a result he hasn't been gaining levels as fast. But you also need more "skill experience" to raise a skill the higher it is, which is why I wonder how this is "level scaling" of skill checks in dialogues translates to the experience you get.

 

[Ludo Lense]

Video will be out soon but I have some questions regarding the game:

- Can y'all tell me final party level and difficulty. My POTD party was far higher than my store mode party, I assume it is because they "did" more since enemies had more HP thus more skill increases.

-Is only enemy dropped loot level scalled? A lot of name items stayed the same each playthrough.

-Are any these questions answered in your playthrough:

Spoiler

-The name, cultural identity or just anything in general about the builders of the spire/oldwalls.
-The bane's origin
-Kyros's identiy beyond Sirin's nonsensical withholding of information
-If Kyros edicts work the same way as you. As in if he has his own tower.

 

[ilitarist]

Video will be out soon but I have some questions regarding the game:

- Can y'all tell me final party level and difficulty. My POTD party was far higher than my store mode party, I assume it is because they "did" more since enemies had more HP thus more skill increases.

-Is only enemy dropped loot level scalled? A lot of name items stayed the same each playthrough.

-Are any these questions answered in your playthrough:

Spoiler

-The name, cultural identity or just anything in general about the builders of the spire/oldwalls builders.
-The bane's origin
-Kyros's identiy beyond Sirin's nonsensical withholding of information
-If Kyros edicts work the same way as you. As in if he has his own tower.

Party level: Lantry 21, Me (mage) 20, Verse 17, Barik 18. I guess Lantry had more things to do and maybe speed buffs so he got more EXP trliably.

Enemy dropped loot was not important apart from named characters. Didn't look like leveled, just faction-specific thrash.

None of those questions where answered apart from Kyros identity from Tunon. Wasn't much though: Kyros shouldn't be defined by usual definitions like gender and so on.

 

[Sizzle]

-Are any these questions answered in your playthrough:

Spoiler

-The name, cultural identity or just anything in general about the builders of the spire/oldwalls builders.
-The bane's origin
-Kyros's identiy beyond Sirin's nonsensical withholding of information
-If Kyros edicts work the same way as you. As in if he has his own tower.

Spoiler

Out of those, the only question that was kind of answered was that Kyros is definitely connected to the Spires, and almost certainly got his powers from them. The old Fatebinder you can have a correspondence with confirms it.

 

[Bubbles]

Level 21 is the soft cap, since you stop getting xp from enemies at that point. Enemies only scale up to level 18.

 

[bminorkey]

Im gonna start a second playthrough (well second and a half since I reloaded my act 3 save to try a buncha stuff).

Anyone know how I can collect the most edicts in a single playthru?

 

[Lhynn]

But if you insist

I do.

combat in Infinity Engine games can only be compared to Tyranny if you forgive them many things due to their age.

Things like what? make a list motherfucker.

Even then this combat system has no decisions or skill really, there's only acquired knowledge.

What? in BG2 you could make near unsurmounable fights into something manageable by merely moving your characters around and using the round structure to your advantage. Player skill matters a lot, especially in fights where you are undergeared or underleveled.

Not once will those games force you to think about your decisions in combat

Thats a big fat lie, you are constantly making decisions that matter in the bigger picture, and different tactics can lead to wildly different results. Even seemingly small stuff like using the right consumable at the right time can completely change how the fight plays out, and its that that makes hard fights feel so great in IE.

you either know exactly what to do or do the wrong thing and instantly understand what to do next.

No you dont, there are always several ways to beat any given fight. BG2 didnt take a puzzle approach to combat, tho some hard counters do exist, you can always find another way.

So when you talk about say, golems requiring you to use blunt weapons

The special thing about golems is that they both require very magical weapons to be hurt and that they are immune to magic. There are several ways to beat them even before you aquire said weapons tho.

it's still the same encounter as any other, nothing interesting happens after first time you encounter those golems or read about them in manual.

Stop lying and being wrong. They do very high damage (more than any other creature in the game i believe, except maybe giants and a few named enemies) that very few other creatures are capable of doing and come in different varieties, both in terms of size, resistances and special abilities, environment also plays a big part in most golem fights in the game. Also a ton of golems are there to acompany different enemies. So enemy composition really puts a twist on encounters.

Tyranny combat may be repetetive but there are actual decisions to make here.

Theres no decision other than who you target first. You will always blow your cooldowns in any given fight, and if your dudes die it doesnt matter because they are zombies that will raise again.

You do use different abilities, consumables and combos depending on the situation.

No you dont, at least i dont, i just use the same shit i always use, both because the character system encourages you to focus on a single tactic to max out experience in that area and because consumables are largely pointless because the effects are so fucking small and unnoticeable. Combos are "iwin" buttons that refresh at the end of any encounter, really fucking interesting gameplay there mate, its so deep and stimulating!

It's a simulated combat with an AI

not a puzzle you solved 10 times as in the case of any IE games

Not a single fight in the IE games can be called a "puzzle fight". you retarded cunt.

and, frankly, almost every top-down real-time with pause RPG before Pillars of Eternity.

My god man, you are so fucking ignorant i cant believe you have the balls to post on the codex. But its probably because you are oblivious to your own stupidity that you do.

Anyway, all your points got trashed in the worst way, you were proven to be a liar and frankly i dont think youve even played BG2 or any other IE game for that matter.

 

[bminorkey]

when your argument turns into quoting and responding to every sentence of your opponent separately it's probably time to call it a day guys

 

[Rostere]

Fuck, would really like to play this now. Completely forgot about this release. :S

 

[Popiel]

Spoiler

Out of those, the only question that was kind of answered was that Kyros is definitely connected to the Spires, and almost certainly got his powers from them. The old Fatebinder you can have a correspondence with confirms it.

Yeah, about that...

Spoiler

I have this nasty feeling that Kyros is a tranny, or some other bullshit.

 

[Ludo Lense]

This a wild guess but I have a feeling that

Spoiler

Kyros is actually a marriage/couple of a man and a woman that might not be the same individuals throughout history. Notice the edicts are phrased with "Ours" when you read them in the edict menu.

-Are any these questions answered in your playthrough:

Spoiler

-The name, cultural identity or just anything in general about the builders of the spire/oldwalls builders.
-The bane's origin
-Kyros's identiy beyond Sirin's nonsensical withholding of information
-If Kyros edicts work the same way as you. As in if he has his own tower.

Spoiler

Out of those, the only question that was kind of answered was that Kyros is definitely connected to the Spires, and almost certainly got his powers from them. The old Fatebinder you can have a correspondence with confirms it.

Spoiler

That sort of implied rather than confirmed. The only real concrete thing I noticed was Lantry saying "Even Kyros had to walk before he ran" talking about how his/her early edicts were much more tame at the start.

 

[Popiel]

This a wild guess but I have a feeling that

Spoiler

Kyros is actually a marriage/couple of a man and a woman that might not be the same individuals throughout history. Notice the edicts are phrased with "Ours" when you read them in the edict menu.

Spoiler

More like a being sharing many bodies I had a thought. Ours is obviously pluralis maiestatis.

 

[Ludo Lense]

This a wild guess but I have a feeling that

Spoiler

Kyros is actually a marriage/couple of a man and a woman that might not be the same individuals throughout history. Notice the edicts are phrased with "Ours" when you read them in the edict menu.

Spoiler

More like a being sharing many bodies I had a thought. Ours is obviously pluralis maiestatis.

Spoiler

I was thinking it was the Royal We but it is only mentioned there which seemed weird. Then again it could just be bad writting.

 

[Lhynn]

when your argument turns into quoting and responding to every sentence of your opponent separately it's probably time to call it a day guys

Why? its a good way to answer every single one of the points raised. Or is it too hard to read?