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[Zed]

replayability... stronghold...

pick one.

 

[toro]

RtwP

I'm ashamed to ever trust Obsidian. Never again.

 

[Kem0sabe]

RtwP

I'm ashamed to ever trust Obsidian. Never again.

Exactly, if this was turn based I would be much less likely to feel reticent about this entire endeavor

 

[Mortmal]

20 hours gameplay, its nearly nothing, we will spend more time posting about it than playing it ,by release date.

Thankfully, you'll have plenty of Fallout 4 DLC to enjoy this year.

Well i forgot to buy the season pass, i know its irresponsable , i should have preordered and enjoy many more hours of that monument of gaming but i was busy . Any bribe press reviews keys left for it ? You guys got so many amongst many other gifts by now, you could check and send one by pm since you are not planning to use it.

20 hours gameplay, its nearly nothing, we will spend more time posting about it than playing it ,by release date.

20 good hours is better than 40+ here and there.

That said, I can't get the reek of a "middlework" off this thing so I'm not at all certain it will actually be "20 good hours".

Of course it's more likely 20 hours , few CYOA choices here and there with copy pasted trash encounters.I know those guys arent the same but i remember on bioware forum , fans were complaining games used to take 80 hours to finish, modern games were too short . One of the dev answered it was because of filler encounters and if they wanted to do the same they could and get 80 hours games . As the result we got 50 hours games filled with trash encounters....Now 20 hours, i see a pattern

 

[Jaesun]

RtwP

I'm ashamed to ever trust Obsidian. Never again.

Because of Obsidian's extensive catalog of turn-based games?

OK fine, there was ONE turn based game so far....

 

[Kem0sabe]

Because of Obsidian's extensive catalog of turn-based games?

OK fine, there was ONE turn based game so far....

Real time or action real time combat is simply not working for them, they seem incapable of designing an engaging combat system.

Maybe it's time they tried their hand at isometric turn based combat? I mean, they have plenty of examples of good systems implemented even by first timers like styg and larian, and older but excellent work done in ToEE and kotc.

 

[Jaesun]

Feargus will NEVER, under any circumstance EVER allow Obsidian to fund and develop a turn based game, they just don't sell.

In this case however, it is being funded by Paradox. Apparently they were fine with RTwP.

 

[toro]

RtwP

I'm ashamed to ever trust Obsidian. Never again.

Because of Obsidian's extensive catalog of turn-based games?

OK fine, there was ONE turn based game so far....

PoE combat is a boring abomination. Tranny on the same engine means that the combat will be similar. 2 + 2 = 4

Feargus will NEVER, under any circumstance EVER allow Obsidian to fund and develop a turn based game, they just don't sell.

In this case however, it is being funded by Paradox. Apparently they were fine with RTwP.

source?

 

[sstacks]

In general, just want to comment I've gotten a bit tired of "gray" morality in RPGs. It's fantasy and escapism, I think it's totally fine to have clearly defined good and evil and not have to deal with moral ambiguity.

Fuck you! Go play Bethesda games, popamole lover!

It's telling that you left out the rest of my comment... "I'm not saying no games should be like that, they can be quite fun, just saying after a couple of decades of it I would enjoy a good old old fashioned clearly defined good vs evil in my fantasy."

Some people just like to watch themselves burn...

 

[Excidium II]

RtwP

I'm ashamed to ever trust Obsidian. Never again.

Because of Obsidian's extensive catalog of turn-based games?

OK fine, there was ONE turn based game so far....

PoE combat is a boring abomination. Tranny on the same engine means that the combat will be similar. 2 + 2 = 4

No doubt it won't be great but I don't see how it being on the same engine affects that. It's not going to use the same mechanics.

 

[Infinitron]

It partly depends on why you don't like PoE's combat. By all appearances, this game is going to have some pretty active combat, with all these combos and lots of abilities acquired from quests and stuff. So if your problem with PoE was that it isn't IE-style "auto-attack w/ the occasional hard counter", run away fast.

 

[Roguey]

Another accurate Roguey prediction. Obsidian's take on Dragon Age II. Button and awesome finally connected in Pillars of Eternity's tech.

 

[Excidium II]

Another accurate Roguey prediction. Obsidian's take on Dragon Age II. Button and awesome finally connected in Pillars of Eternity's tech.

That's what I thought too. I guess without things like engagement and daily abilities it'll be a game where you can really just let AI do its thing.

 

[Black]

• The game uses the Pillars of Eternity engine and is RTwP.

Obsidian, the new bioware.

 

[Tigranes]

Codex angry that studio with a record of RTwP games betrays them with an RTwP game

 

[Black]

Because their previous implementations of rtwp were so good.

 

[mutonizer]

Codex angry that studio betrays them

There, edited the spelling mistakes for you.

 

[Excidium II]

RTWP,TB. Who cares with the dragon age mechanics it will have.

 

[VonVentrue]

Feargus will NEVER, under any circumstance EVER allow Obsidian to fund and develop a turn based game, they just don't sell.

Last time I checked, Divinity:Original Sin or Firaxis' XCOM were doing pretty fine sales-wise (proving TB combat systems don't necessarily scare away potential customers), but what do I know...

 

[mutonizer]

Last time I checked, Divinity:Original Sin or Firaxis' XCOM were doing pretty fine sales-wise (proving TB combat systems don't necessarily scare away potential customers), but what do I know...

He never said Feargus was any bright though...

 

[Haba]

So, what kind of romances are we expecting? An edgy Dark Elf? A feisty rogue? A brooding mage?

 

[Azarkon]

You can do RtwP as long as you remember that it's RtwP and not "we want to do turn-based but aren't allowed to."

 

[Roguey]

Last time I checked, Divinity:Original Sin or Firaxis' XCOM were doing pretty fine sales-wise (proving TB combat systems don't necessarily scare away potential customers), but what do I know...

It's not so much a sales thing (though it is to some extent) as it is personal preference. He thinks turn based can be too slow.

 

[Fairfax]

Feargus will NEVER, under any circumstance EVER allow Obsidian to fund and develop a turn based game, they just don't sell.

Last time I checked, Divinity:Original Sin or Firaxis' XCOM were doing pretty fine sales-wise (proving TB combat systems don't necessarily scare away potential customers), but what do I know...

That's misleading. These are two of the most successful (western) turn-based games in recent years, and they're still very far from the numbers real-time games can do.
Other things to consider:

• D:OS has a 6% completion rate, which is bad for business.
• XCOM is not an RPG. TB RPGs drag on for much longer, while in a game like XCOM the TB combat is pretty much the game.
• Paradox is very successful with their RTwP strategy games.
• ARPGs outsell TB RPGs by tens of millions, and RTwP is the closest thing.
• Codex is very vocal about turn-based, but the higher positions are pretty much dominated by Action/RTwP RPGs.
• Turn-based combat can make or break a game. People are much more tolerant towards shitty combat mechanics in action/real-time based games, mostly because they don't take as long.

There will always be a market for both, but this is a considerable investment, and Paradox is obviously not interested in selling 500k copies or so.

 

[Crescent Hawk]

20 Hours.