Underrail: The Incline Awakens

[lukaszek]

deterministic system > RNG

 

[ItsChon]

Yeah... yeah, I did. I only asked a couple, and I knew that what I was doing was wrong, but I couldn't help myself. I wanted to see them bitch about me not acting like a robot.

It's okay, because I solved an IRL hacking minigame and will get to see the Oculus anyway.

Yeah, this happened to me once before too. Can't dick around with the Hercules selling guy in Core City or it will lock you out. I always make a pre Jack Silver questline save just in case I fuck something up so I can go back and redo shit.

 

[lukaszek]

deterministic system > RNG

 

[Tigranes]

Ok, I've done this before but I've completely forgotten, where do you go to upgrade your microchip implant's access, it must be one of the science complex areas in the black sea but I can't find it.

Help a guy out, brahs, this is specifically the thing you need to do before you can even enter Joint Security.

Health Centre, one of the medical terminals.

I just revisited that place, is it just a basic computer console?

Also, what's with this door in that place that never opens? Even if you're done with the main thing and can leave.
https://imgur.com/a/FJq1uMu

Zero defences, 3 CON, completely reliant on riot armour & shield, right? The same issue as a spearman - you're only blocking certain types of damage, no? I thought I read Blaine say something about riot shields not blocking ranged damage properly, as well.
lv16 for Boarding Up also means that you get your signature move when basically half the game is over, but you may be OK with that.

It's tough to balance survivability with all the things this build is supposed to do. The strength version is probably more sensible.
Using the shield properly kinda requires spec points anyway, so yeah that will be a somewhat late thing, though as it is you can easily reach lvl 23 just by doing Black Sea content, not even doing anything with the institute, oligarchs, acid hunters, etc, incomplete quests all over the place, so it depends on whether you want to do Black Sea content or not.

Memory's fuzzy, but I think it might be the medical terminal on the north end of that map in the picture. It's one of those special 'flat screen' computer terminals tied to a large fMRI-style chambers, reminiscent of the +attrib machines in Fallout and AOD. You have to use the machine to extract the microchip from Phil's arm then inject it into yourself. You need to turn on the power to the place to do all this, of course.

 

[ItsChon]

Aw for fucks sakes. Somehow Razer managed to die during the Protectorate mission which means I can't do the Fetid Marsh bullshit. I have a save that goes back right before the mission, but I just finished blowing up the sonar station and making all the stealth gear + managing to stealth in was almost impossible, so fuck doing all of that again. Is there a way to edit saves? I'm down to try.

EDIT: And now my games bugged. Someone said something about it earlier with Cruzer showing up as unknown in the captains cabin after I blow the Sonar station? Anyone have any idea on how to fix it?

 

[Blackmill]

Aw for fucks sakes. Somehow Razer managed to die during the Protectorate mission which means I can't do the Fetid Marsh bullshit. I have a save that goes back right before the mission, but I just finished blowing up the sonar station and making all the stealth gear + managing to stealth in was almost impossible, so fuck doing all of that again. Is there a way to edit saves? I'm down to try.

EDIT: And now my games bugged. Someone said something about it earlier with Cruzer showing up as unknown in the captains cabin after I blow the Sonar station? Anyone have any idea on how to fix it?

That bug happened to me with Razor, if I returned to the Captain after starting the Protectrate ship raid mission, but before meeting up with Razor. It ultimately didn't cause any problems, though. Is this bug after reloading to the earlier save? In that case, maybe just go forward with the mission, and hope for the best.

 

[Candide]

How many unique quests are there on the pirate side? I don't want to do any of the lemurian stuff again - is it still mandatory when joining the pirates?

 

[Blackmill]

How many unique quests are there on the pirate side? I don't want to do any of the lemurian stuff again - is it still mandatory when joining the pirates?

I could be wrong, but I don't think you get any uniques that would be unobtainable if you joined Aegis.

You can do the raiding stuff without doing the Lemurian stuff.

Aside from the raids being fun, I'd say the main benefit of joining the pirates is...

Spoiler

...you get a bunch of jet-ski feats from Razor. Also, Katya is a really good merchant, especially with high mercantile. She sells a lot of deep caverns only stuff and otherwise hard-to-get items.

 

[ItsChon]

Attacking the Protectorate ship also needs to be fixed. You can get stuck on the ship if you land at a certain spot. I can't get back on my fucking jet ski.

 

[Blackmill]

Not surprised. Are you supposed to only be able to board the Protectorate ship from the back? I kept dying trying to board from the sides, since there was a mouse indicator that you could, but the game would never let me.

 

[ItsChon]

Not surprised. Are you supposed to only be able to board the Protectorate ship from the back? I kept dying trying to board from the sides, since there was a mouse indicator that you could, but the game would never let me.

You can board from the sides but you can't get back onto your jet ski.

 

[Blackmill]

Not surprised. Are you supposed to only be able to board the Protectorate ship from the back? I kept dying trying to board from the sides, since there was a mouse indicator that you could, but the game would never let me.

You can board from the sides but you can't get back onto your jet ski.

Gotcha. My game wouldn't let me board from the sides after many attempts from every possible position. But better that than getting stuck. I was able to get back onto my jet ski from the back of the ship without a hitch. Guess I got lucky in hindsight.

 

[Fenix]

Sub-15% pen armours (E.g. Regalia) or Ancient Rathound (20%)?

If you miss your Cooked Shot from napalm pistol, wearign Regalia, you will regret it...

Current theorizing

Expertise and Decomissioner are shit for your build, take Opportunist instead, and like, dunno - Crippling Strike? Or Heavy Punch.

 

[Wunderbar]

Which of veteran feats are good for a crossbowman? So far I've took +PER.

 

[Blackmill]

Which of veteran feats are good for a crossbowman? So far I've took +PER.

Scrutinous is good since you can't always use Ambush or Deadly Snares.

Opportunist isn't a veteran feat, but is easily activated by shock bolts (and Concussive Shots), and I believe the damage bonus is multiplicative. Could be a better option if you don't already have it.

I wouldn't say the veteran feats, outside of +PER, are that much better than regular feats for crossbows.

 

[Spark Mandriller]

Too bad I have burned 3 full batches on super steel and got q100ish at best... I guess wearing rathound regalia is my destiny

100 quality leather is still better than regalia unless you need the strength bonus. Or the rathounds ignoring you thing, but you can just keep it in your inventory and put it on for rathound areas if you want that.

 

[epeli]

This worked, thank you. There were some screw-ups at first, failures to load or severe bugs, and it required some trial and error—I had to append "01" to the end of the new string after overwriting, since the new string is one numeral longer than the old, and my hex editor automatically overwrites additional unselected numerals in order to fit whatever's being overwrite-pasted. I used your online unpacker and repacker, and repacked into the custom unknown version that's automatically added to the drop-down.

Cheers! Hex editors default to overwrite rather than insert, I didn't think to warn about that. Search and replace might've been easier than pasting it in. And yeah, I haven't added new patches to the unpacker's version list. Using those unfamiliar data model versions straight from input file is better, since the data model is what matters and it's not really tied to the game's patch version.

 

[Blackmill]

epeli, the second link on the Underrail wiki's combat stats page leads to a thread that you were involved in, where you say you made the update regarding resolve save chance. I've quoted the section.

Attacks and status effects can be resisted (ie. completely avoided) with Dodge, Evasion, Fortitude or Resolve, depending on the attack's type. These four saving throws are checked against attacker's relevant skill, e.g. An attack with Frighten would test attacker's Thought Control vs. defender's Resolve to determine its duration.[2]

The base save chance of Resolve and Fortitude is 1 - attack skill / defense skill * 0.7 and it is capped between 5% and 75%. So relative to defense skill, about 135% attack skill minimizes the save chance and 35% maximizes it.

But the thread this was based on was from 2014 and I've been told that the mechanics are now different. For instance, in the linked thread I'm told that Thought Control does not affect resist chance. Could you confirm if this is true?

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Supposing the combat stats page is still correct, I was also hoping you could clarify the information on resolve/fortitude save chance.

If I have parsed the quoted section correctly, then "Attacks and status effects can be resisted" includes flashbangs. But what would be the attack skill? If it is Throwing, then flashbangs would be useless for characters with 0 throwing, which isn't true. So either flashbangs follow different mechanics, use a fixed value for attack skill, or treat the player's Throwing skill as higher than it truly is.

Also, with the new Brutality feat, I assume Intimidation would be the relevant attack skill for the above formula?

Thanks!

 

[lukaszek]

deterministic system > RNG

 

[epeli]

If I have parsed the quoted section correctly, then "Attacks and status effects can be resisted" includes flashbangs. But what would be the attack skill? If it is Throwing, then flashbangs would be useless for characters with 0 throwing, which isn't true. So either flashbangs follow different mechanics, use a fixed value for attack skill, or treat the player's Throwing skill as higher than it truly is.

Also, with the new Brutality feat, I assume Intimidation would be the relevant attack skill for the above formula?

Replied to your thread on underrail.com. Looks like flashbangs indeed use fixed value for attack skill, I had never tried digging that up. Brutality is intimidation. Both try resist by Resolve.

 

[Blackmill]

so... if you steal from rey shop prior to expedition, on return whole core city is hostile

btw: why do I get muties hostile if I turn the generator on? What do I actually accomplish with generator turned on besides lights in the area and hostile faction?
I did not get their approval to go down, sneaked in. Not turning generator allows me to talk with them freely afterwards

Could be they are worried about the Natives coming for them. You know, the Natives seem to dislike people mucking about in the ruins. They might see the lights turned on and think the muties had started doing more with the place than just squatting in it. I think Wesley says something about not wanting to anger the Natives. And, if you didn't get permission to enter the ruins, it's a give away that you snuck in.

 

[Spark Mandriller]

btw: why do I get muties hostile if I turn the generator on? What do I actually accomplish with generator turned on besides lights in the area and hostile faction?
I did not get their approval to go down, sneaked in. Not turning generator allows me to talk with them freely afterwards

They get mad if you go downstairs without permission. Turning the generator on makes it pretty obvious you snuck in even though you weren't allowed, so they're mad.
If you do get permission and then turn it on they appreciate it. Doesn't get you much though. I'm not entirely sure how it helps since I missed the shopkeeper until after I fixed it, but his dialogue implied he was selling an expanded inventory. Or maybe he won't sell you anything at all without fixing it? His inventory sucked anyway so it doesn't matter.

 

[AW8]

 

[MediantSamuel]

So uh, I'm an idiot and chose the wrong feat for my psi monk build.

Character editor where?

 

[Fenix]

Brutality is intimidation.

So, chance to resist Brutality is based on how much Intimidation you have?
Also, I have a question about wiki sruff. )
About Daniel Arda and the possibility to meet him after quest.
I have a feeling that maybe if you tell him that it's you who ruined his business plan, it somehow enchance possiblity to meet him? I told him that, and met him immediately after that, at the first spot sustaining special encounters.
epeli


AW8 uh eh... did you report it already?