Underrail: The Incline Awakens

[Decado]

Thanks.

For a pistoleer type, I'm wondering how to prioritize stats -- Dex seems like the most important, then Perception. But the then what? Agility? Int?

 

[Ghulgothas]

Thanks.

For a pistoleer type, I'm wondering how to prioritize stats -- Dex seems like the most important, then Perception. But the then what? Agility? Int?

Agility. Someone with more experience can likely break down how much Dex gets you how many attacks per-round, but Agility is what gets you better initiative. Int is good for upping your crafting game with skill synergies, as well as gettin' the most out of energy pistols*

Keep Con as is though, you'll need it.


*as well as the dialogue options it gets you later.

 

[Parabalus]

Not that you can't do it without those, will just take a bit of tryharding.

I disagree. I made a pistolero build that could do ridiculous amount of damage with smart silenced neoluger, on dominating.

How much graphite per dreadnaught?

Did you compare to switching to corrosive acid?

Thanks.

For a pistoleer type, I'm wondering how to prioritize stats -- Dex seems like the most important, then Perception. But the then what? Agility? Int?

Agility. Someone with more experience can likely break down how much Dex gets you how many attacks per-round, but Agility is what gets you better initiative. Int is good for upping your crafting game with skill synergies, as well as gettin' the most out of energy pistols*

Keep Con as is though, you'll need it.


*as well as the dialogue options it gets you later.

5 Con is kinda pointless, either dump to 3 or bump it to get some feats.

Thanks.

For a pistoleer type, I'm wondering how to prioritize stats -- Dex seems like the most important, then Perception. But the then what? Agility? Int?

You can dump PER to 3 and use versatility with 18 DEX and melee if you don't want any PER feats.

 

[CHEMS]

How much graphite per dreadnaught?

Did you compare to switching to corrosive acid?

44 hammerer could take a dread in 2 shots. The 5mm neoluger could do decent amounts of damage per shot, around 200ish. I decimated most natives using it with JHP rounds.

Damage-wise, pistolero wins. Though chemical pistols are way more useful due to procs and causing non mechanical damage.

 

[lukaszek]

someone should generate flow chart where 80% of the paths lead to versatility

 

[Parabalus]

Gonna get nerfed next patch, don't worry.

 

[CappenVarra]

Hit hard, first, and frequently. All you need to do.


On an aside, I'm now wondering on the viability of a critical focused build. For pistols.

Reckless - 7%
Per 11 for Scrutinous 7%
Seeker Goggles for Critical shooting (10% or more)
Infused Rathound Armor for Critical Increase (10% on avg)
Body Horror 3%
Steadfast Aim
Ambush

Not counting focus stim and hardcore chips, you have some brutal potential for the .44 Hammerer.

Assuming 10% for Seeker goggles, and not counting steadfast aim or ambush
10 - Base Pistols
7 - Reckless
7 - Scrutinous
10 - Seeker Goggles
10 - Infused Rathound Armor
3 - Body Horror
15 - Focus Stim
5 - Hardcore Chips
--
67% critical chance.


I never really thought about it, but that's kinda brutal. .44 Hammerer with Explosive Shells, decent throwing for Molotovs, well that just got nasty.


Shit.

funny, i just started this guy a week ago after purchasing Expedition, about to leave for Depot A: https://underrail.info/build/?CAUJAwUKAwcyAAAAAAAyKCgAACgoHh4eAAAAAAAAMhcBMToyAt-_

it's not optimized at all - just fooling around with a .44 Hammerer + Riot Gear with shield, looking ahead to Bullet Time that's also Hammer(er) Time

current crit chance 35% without Ambush or stims, Steadfast Aim included

 

[CHEMS]

Explosive damage from the explosive 44 rounds don't crit. Most special ammo is useless in some way:

5mm shock rounds won't crit electro damage and won't shortcircuit robots = trash
9mm acid rounds won't crit with acid damage = trash
44 explosive won't crit = trash
7.62 rounds are okay-ish with the bleeding damage but you're better off with W2C ammo.
12.7mm contaminated rounds will leave a ridiculously small gas cloud that won't affect anyone because they'll move out of the way

The only special rounds i do enjoy are the tungsten shells and the incendiary 8.6 that have a fairly high chance to set stuff on fire. At least JHP and AP function as intended, unlike fallout 2.

 

[Sykar]

Shock rounds are ok to deplete shields with your SMG. That is about it though imho.

 

[CHEMS]

Also, i'm running a build and taking strafe for the first time. Feels like a wasted feat, this thing is broken or what? I feel no difference in the penalties at all.

 

[Tygrende]

Also, i'm running a build and taking strafe for the first time. Feels like a wasted feat, this thing is broken or what? I feel no difference in the penalties at all.

What weapon? Strafe is an essential feat for snipers, it makes spearheads have no move penalty at all. Almost essential on crossbows as well.

 

[Blaine]

I'm having fun with my SMG guy (the build I ultimately decided on), but I've realized that I'll essentially be pressing Burst for the rest of the game. Also, unlike ARs, I foresee running into the annoyance of realizing that I needed more DEX/could have done with less DEX once it's too late to do anything about it.

However, also unlike ARs, Crippling Strike won't reduce my precision to 5%. Crippling Strike is the ultimate Achilles' heel of tin can AR builds. You absolutely cannot let little dagger pansies get anywhere near you, or you'll be fucked; at the very least, you'll have to bomb yourself with your own grenades. Self-bombing is one of the great privileges of wearing a tin can, though.

Traps should make things more interesting once I've invested into them properly, since this is a stealth build which can place the traps in relative safety behind enemy lines, then utilize sniper rifles (even with zero feats) to draw enemies into trapstravaganzas from a fairly safe distance.

Also, it's been so long since I've played that I thought traps had to go into utility slots. Imagine my delight when I realized that I could drop Quick Pockets in favor of something else. I should have known better, since I knew that you require a feat to arm traps during combat.

 

[Blaine]

Also, i'm running a build and taking strafe for the first time. Feels like a wasted feat, this thing is broken or what? I feel no difference in the penalties at all.

Weapons only suffer from close quarters and move-and-shoot penalties if those disadvantages are part of the weapon's statistics. For pistols and SMGs, Strafe does nothing; it's a waste for ARs.

Pistols and SMGs have no penalties. Pistols even receive a bonus at very close quarters.

Assault rifles have slight move-and-shoot penalties.

Crossbows have moderate move-and-shoot and CQ precision penalties.

Sniper rifles have high move-and-shoot and CQ precision penalties.

 

[Savecummer]

Crits work great with ballistic pistols post patch.

This shit makes baldurs gate 2 sorcerer and kensai look balanced.

Made me think of Timestop. Dude goes around full 2 squads of stormtroopers, all get shot in the eye one after another.
Looks at his watch - Stasis. Looks at watch again. Timestop! Boop boop boop - 3 dreadnoughts dead lol.

 

[ciox]

Explosive damage from the explosive 44 rounds don't crit. Most special ammo is useless in some way:

5mm shock rounds won't crit electro damage and won't shortcircuit robots = trash
9mm acid rounds won't crit with acid damage = trash
44 explosive won't crit = trash
7.62 rounds are okay-ish with the bleeding damage but you're better off with W2C ammo.
12.7mm contaminated rounds will leave a ridiculously small gas cloud that won't affect anyone because they'll move out of the way

The only special rounds i do enjoy are the tungsten shells and the incendiary 8.6 that have a fairly high chance to set stuff on fire. At least JHP and AP function as intended, unlike fallout 2.

All of the special bullets seem designed to suck on their own, and only be good if spammed at maximum volume out of a specialty weapon.

Shock bullets are to be spammed out of Rapid Muzzled Jaguar or this https://stygiansoftware.com/wiki/index.php?title=NF_R90
Incendiary bullets out of a Rapid Muzzled Steel Cat
Acid bullets are definitely supposed to be spammed out of this https://stygiansoftware.com/wiki/index.php?title=K&H_MP6
Explosive rounds out of this https://stygiansoftware.com/wiki/index.php?title=Tommy_Gun

Even then they're seldom better than W2C, just an ok alternative while you find more crafting components for W2C bullets.
Most interesting fix would be for the unique guns to be even better at triggering the special bullets' effects than they already are... more burst shots, slightly lower base damage, that type of thing. As it is it's very tempting to say that special bullets just plain suck.

 

[Blaine]

The 12.7mm contaminated seems all right, but extraordinarily niche.

I wouldn't know, as it's been the better part of a decade since I've used sniper rifles in this game.

 

[Tygrende]

I'm having fun with my SMG guy (the build I ultimately decided on), but I've realized that I'll essentially be pressing Burst for the rest of the game. Also, unlike ARs, I foresee running into the annoyance of realizing that I needed more DEX/could have done with less DEX once it's too late to do anything about it.

However, also unlike ARs, Crippling Strike won't reduce my precision to 5%. Crippling Strike is the ultimate Achilles' heel of tin can AR builds. You absolutely cannot let little dagger pansies get anywhere near you, or you'll be fucked; at the very least, you'll have to bomb yourself with your own grenades. Self-bombing is one of the great privileges of wearing a tin can, though.

Traps should make things more interesting once I've invested into them properly, since this is a stealth build which can place the traps in relative safety behind enemy lines, then utilize sniper rifles (even with zero feats) to draw enemies into trapstravaganzas from a fairly safe distance.

Also, it's been so long since I've played that I thought traps had to go into utility slots. Imagine my delight when I realized that I could drop Quick Pockets in favor of something else. I should have known better, since I knew that you require a feat to arm traps during combat.

You can mitigate the effects of crippling strike with adrenaline/vitality powder - former nullifies one stack for 3 turns, latter 2 stacks for 2 turns. You better finish the fight within that time though.

If you're going to use sniper rifles in any capacity then I recommend taking aimed shot and shooting spree at the very least. Making sniper shots cost no AP on kill is too good to pass on.

 

[CHEMS]

Explosive damage from the explosive 44 rounds don't crit. Most special ammo is useless in some way:

5mm shock rounds won't crit electro damage and won't shortcircuit robots = trash
9mm acid rounds won't crit with acid damage = trash
44 explosive won't crit = trash
7.62 rounds are okay-ish with the bleeding damage but you're better off with W2C ammo.
12.7mm contaminated rounds will leave a ridiculously small gas cloud that won't affect anyone because they'll move out of the way

The only special rounds i do enjoy are the tungsten shells and the incendiary 8.6 that have a fairly high chance to set stuff on fire. At least JHP and AP function as intended, unlike fallout 2.

All of the special bullets seem designed to suck on their own, and only be good if spammed at maximum volume out of a specialty weapon.

Shock bullets are to be spammed out of Rapid Muzzled Jaguar or this https://stygiansoftware.com/wiki/index.php?title=NF_R90
Incendiary bullets out of a Rapid Muzzled Steel Cat
Acid bullets are definitely supposed to be spammed out of this https://stygiansoftware.com/wiki/index.php?title=K&H_MP6
Explosive rounds out of this https://stygiansoftware.com/wiki/index.php?title=Tommy_Gun

Even then they're seldom better than W2C, just an ok alternative while you find more crafting components for W2C bullets.
Most interesting fix would be for the unique guns to be even better at triggering the special bullets' effects than they already are... more burst shots, slightly lower base damage, that type of thing. As it is it's very tempting to say that special bullets just plain suck.

I don't bother much with unique guns. They're just mediocre. The only one i think it's GOOD is the XAL. There's an AR on deep caverns that it's interesting too. Rancor and Salvation are okay-ish. Styg should buff them.

 

[Decado]

Is there a saved game/character editor so I can fix the fact that I fucked up my build yet again, because I dumped perception when I meant to dump int?

 

[Twiglard]

I'm having fun with my SMG guy (the build I ultimately decided on), but I've realized that I'll essentially be pressing Burst for the rest of the game. Also, unlike ARs, I foresee running into the annoyance of realizing that I needed more DEX/could have done with less DEX once it's too late to do anything about it.

You'll be having a fuckton of problems due to: ridiculously low single-shot damage; ammo usage in DC; low range. Unlike AR builds, you can't really use snipers with minimal perk investment.

On the bright side, you'll be bursting some 5 times a turn with 7.62.

 

[Decado]

Is there a saved game/character editor so I can fix the fact that I fucked up my build yet again, because I dumped perception when I meant to dump int?

Nevermind, I found a cheat engine called "Reroll your character and pay attention this time you fucking retard."

 

[Parabalus]

Is there a saved game/character editor so I can fix the fact that I fucked up my build yet again, because I dumped perception when I meant to dump int?

Nevermind, I found a cheat engine called "Reroll your character and pay attention this time you fucking retard."

There is a cheat engine table for Underrail, you could do it with that.

But attributes itself you can prob do without a table, just look for value, level up, look for value+1.

 

[lukaszek]

i trully suffered and wasted a lot of resources to clear psi beetles on dominating with my thrower. In the end they didnt drop a single brain

 

[sebas]

Classic vs Oddity is such a HUGE difference. I just finished my Dom play and I was level 30 right around Institute with zero Expeditions content done. I had only 2 levels extra at Depot A but afterwards it just exploded.

Next time I'm sticking with Oddity and Hard mode, fuck this drop chance.

 

[CHEMS]

I'm playing Hard with Oddity. But on dominating i wouldn't do it.