Underrail: The Incline Awakens

[Whisper]

Sounds like a good deal if guns also get the infinite durability that psi gets. Needing to spam repair kits on burst guns is fucking terrible.

ARs already had their massive nerf back when smart module/goggles stopped working on bursts, anyway. Damage cut in half just like that. Tragic.

Ok lets limit how many bullets you can use in single fight. Out of limit? Use consumable with high CD to get ability to do 1 more attack.

 

[Spark Mandriller]

Ok lets limit how many bullets you can use in single fight. Out of limit? Use consumable with high CD to get ability to do 1 more attack.

Psi boosters are from the old psi system though. I don't think anyone has a problem with them.

 

[jackofshadows]

How viable Mental Subversion feat is? We don't have access to spreadsheets with the enemie's resolve values, don't we? I feel like it's a meh feat anyway due to its applying but I'm curious if anyone did some actual testing.

 

[Sheepherder]

How viable Mental Subversion feat is? We don't have access to spreadsheets with the enemie's resolve values, don't we? I feel like it's a meh feat anyway due to its applying but I'm curious if anyone did some actual testing.

It's meh. It's not bad, but don't bother with it unless you have a spare feat point. For high resolve enemies, apply Mental Breakdown and call it a day.
What's a high resolve enemy? A psi enemy. And those have some INT, so the NO damage gets increased.

 

[Latelistener]

 

[Parabalus]

How viable Mental Subversion feat is? We don't have access to spreadsheets with the enemie's resolve values, don't we? I feel like it's a meh feat anyway due to its applying but I'm curious if anyone did some actual testing.

It's pure garbage, stay away.

Can you show the defensive stats for some typical enemies? Do they go over 250 (on Dominating?)?

Mental Subversion seems to be conclusively garbage though.

Dunno. Resolve is based on level and will. Scanners might have around 250 on dominating. If you're playing pure psi and always maxing will, you'll probably overpower the resolve of roughly equal level enemies throughout the game. Few unique characters and mid-game lunatic encounters are potential exceptions. And who knows what we'll find in the Black Sea?

Mental Subversion is p. shitty feat to pick, yeah. Single-player games are usually asymmetric in the way that the player persists and other combatants die quickly, so effects that slowly build up and linger end up being more powerful when used against the player. Not that Underrail does much of that, either. IMO mental subversion would be a perfect mechanical and thematical fit for the endgame battles towards the boss, but for whatever reason scanners don't have it.

 

[Blaine]

In general, any offensive strategy that takes time to work—be it via a delay or some form of build-up—is fantastic for enemies but trash for the PC, because past the early game, success is counted in whole numbers of enemies killed per turn. Again, for emphasis: whole number of enemies killed per turn. The enemies only need one kill to win all.

If an enemy isn't dead or at least effectively neutralized when your turn ends, that's a 0 on the success counter, not a 1. Being alive rather than dead will enable it to eat its inevitable adrenaline shot, quaff its inevitable health potion (eating into any damage you've already dealt), and then shit on you in some way.

If the game has a major failing, that's it, and it's intrinsic to the one-vs.-many combat mechanics. It's quite forgivable in my view, but is very off-putting to some people.

 

[CHEMS]

If the game has a major failing, that's it, and it's intrinsic to the one-vs.-many combat mechanics. It's quite forgivable in my view, but is very off-putting to some people.

Luckily underrail has shitty AI mechanics even on dominating. If the AI were to actually use strategy, you'd be fucked with most builds.

 

[Major_Blackhart]

God, an AI upgrade would be an insane wrench thrown into the machine.

Styg get forging!!!

 

[ItsChon]

Made a video of the Belt build. First time I uploaded it, I used an ISIS song, you know the one. Seemed culturally appropriate. But youtube accused me of glorifying a terrorist organization and removed the video. Thus, according to a multi-billion corporation, an Underrail video can serve as a vector of radicalization and as a recruitment tool for ISIS. eheheh

Saleel a Sawarim is good, but you could've also went with this.

 

[Fedora Master]

Am I stupid? How the fuck do you get back to the Black Sea once you bought a jetski?

e: Nevermind, just found the entrance. That's quite a ways away from Core City.

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

Nexus of Technology, more like Nexus of FUCKING ANNOYING SHIT

 

[Ol' Willy]

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

Nexus of Technology, more like Nexus of FUCKING ANNOYING SHIT

That room is absolutely optional

 

[jackofshadows]

Am I stupid? How the fuck do you get back to the Black Sea once you bought a jetski?

e: Nevermind, just found the entrance. That's quite a ways away from Core City.

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

Nexus of Technology, more like Nexus of FUCKING ANNOYING SHIT

That's one of if not the best puzzle I've seen in RPGs in... no, ever. I beleive now there's online solvers to this but doin it blind when the Expedition came out was fun as hell.

 

[Tigranes]

You can ignore that puzzle - I've done so in multiple playthroughs - and you'll be absolutely, totally, fine.

If you enjoy it, go ahead. If not, the time you spend solving that puzzle is probably 10x the time you actually get to use your new toy.

 

[Fedora Master]

Am I stupid? How the fuck do you get back to the Black Sea once you bought a jetski?

e: Nevermind, just found the entrance. That's quite a ways away from Core City.

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

Nexus of Technology, more like Nexus of FUCKING ANNOYING SHIT

That's one of if not the best puzzles I've seen in RPGs in... no, ever. I beleive now there's online solvers to this but doin it blind when the Expedition came out was fun as hell.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not criticising the puzzle. In fact I appreciate the idea. It's just that I sure as shit couldn't solve it.

Thankfully I don't need to either. What's really shit about the Nexus is the endless swarm of trash mobs outside.

 

[Wunderbar]

The whole Expedition has a rather bad encounter design, not just Nexus.

 

[Whisper]

Made a video of the Belt build. First time I uploaded it, I used an ISIS song, you know the one. Seemed culturally appropriate. But youtube accused me of glorifying a terrorist organization and removed the video. Thus, according to a multi-billion corporation, an Underrail video can serve as a vector of radicalization and as a recruitment tool for ISIS. eheheh

Saleel a Sawarim is good, but you could've also went with this.

Allah Akbar! Listening to this non-stop!

 

[lukaszek]

You can ignore that puzzle - I've done so in multiple playthroughs - and you'll be absolutely, totally, fine.

If you enjoy it, go ahead. If not, the time you spend solving that puzzle is probably 10x the time you actually get to use your new toy.

ever since ive learnt that its destroying walls silently i consider it mandatory

 

[jackofshadows]

It's just that I sure as shit couldn't solve it.

Why? I mean I'm biased since I have music education hence didn't have to spend additional time to grasp all the specific terrms in order to translate all of that. But yeah, if you are not enjoying the process then just ignore it. As for trash mobs - at least there's a choice which ones to whack (fetid march/spiders) in order to reach Nexus if the agility check isn't an option.

The whole Expedition has a rather bad encounter design, not just Nexus.

I like several opportunities to turn some mobs against the others: servants against spiders, natives against crabs, pirates against crabs...

 

[Parabalus]

You can ignore that puzzle - I've done so in multiple playthroughs - and you'll be absolutely, totally, fine.

If you enjoy it, go ahead. If not, the time you spend solving that puzzle is probably 10x the time you actually get to use your new toy.

ever since ive learnt that its destroying walls silently i consider it mandatory

Saving you from the jackhammer weight is priceless. There's also a 5XP oddity there, and a lot of plasma grenades - skipping it really isn't an option unless really lazy.

 

[lukaszek]

You can ignore that puzzle - I've done so in multiple playthroughs - and you'll be absolutely, totally, fine.

If you enjoy it, go ahead. If not, the time you spend solving that puzzle is probably 10x the time you actually get to use your new toy.

ever since ive learnt that its destroying walls silently i consider it mandatory

Saving you from the jackhammer weight is priceless. There's also a 5XP oddity there, and a lot of plasma grenades - skipping it really isn't an option unless really lazy.

well, yeah. especially since all my characters are 3str. It also makes sneaking around dc so much easier. There is also one path with 4+ locust hives in marshes where destroying wall silently is invaluable

good even though you get it quite late

 

[Parabalus]

It's just that I sure as shit couldn't solve it.

Why? I mean I'm biased since I have music education hence didn't have to spend additional time to grasp all the specific terrms in order to translate all of that. But yeah, if you are not enjoying the process then just ignore it. As for trash mobs - at least there's a choice which ones to whack (fetid march/spiders) in order to reach Nexus if the agility check isn't an option.

The whole Expedition has a rather bad encounter design, not just Nexus.

I like several opportunities to turn some mobs against the others: servants against spiders, natives against crabs, pirates against crabs...

It's fun the first time, a bit laborious afterwards.

The funny part is that the cipher depends on the difficulty, so if you look it up you'll see people having just numbers instead of verses etc. DOM has data corruption.

The trash is extremely annoying and makes you consider pumping up agility just to skip it. Basically most of Expedition is best skipped.

 

[Major_Blackhart]

The few puzzles in this game are amazing in their construction and thought process.

 

[Ol' Willy]

Why? I mean I'm biased since I have music education hence didn't have to spend additional time to grasp all the specific terrms in order to translate all of that. But yeah, if you are not enjoying the process then just ignore it.

I know a thing or two about music theory, although I'm self-taught and my knowledge in imperfect; this puzzle has little to do with the actual music theory apart from concept and terms, it's pure superimposition.

A true music theory puzzle would be something like this:

The code is four digits. The scale is A natural minor. Each note corresponds to the digit, with A as 1 and etc. You are given four-chord progression: v-VI-iv-i. The code is the third of each chord in progression consequently.

For harder difficulties, it would be, for example, Eb major scale, progression of iii-V-vii°-I and the code is seventh of each chord

Easy puzzle for anyone who knows a thing or two about music theory and WTF for everyone else.

 

[Basshead]

I’m one happy camper today. Because of Johnny law, several weeks ago I had to leave my home and pc to go into hiding many moons away. In the chaos I also left my first Underrail play through unfinished.
Before leaving I had been trying for quite some time to get the game running through wine on my MacBook with no success.
Today I finally got it up and running and damn am I excited. Now I can play a new to me crpg on my lap while the my knocked up other half watches her shows. Hooray for ignoring your loved ones!