Underrail: The Incline Awakens

[Tigranes]

I am fucking around with a Chem Pistol + Metathermics for maximum environmentalism, after seeing a similar build in the official forum. Versatility Dex/Will build. Depot A went smooth at Dom/Oddity, given the flexibility - cooked shot, energy pistol, Mk II/III grenades, incapacitate with gloves, Freeze. Without SI/Crit it's never going to be one of the true heavy hitters but it's pretty smooth so far.

One Q: does execute work with chem pistols? Is it worth it? I'd have to raise Guns from 35 to 70 given Versatility, and I could be using that SP to get Haste up and running.

 

[ItsChon]

Does anyone know where the fuck I can find Milton? I realize now I've never met him in a single playthrough.

 

[Sheepherder]

I am fucking around with a Chem Pistol + Metathermics for maximum environmentalism, after seeing a similar build in the official forum. Versatility Dex/Will build. Depot A went smooth at Dom/Oddity, given the flexibility - cooked shot, energy pistol, Mk II/III grenades, incapacitate with gloves, Freeze. Without SI/Crit it's never going to be one of the true heavy hitters but it's pretty smooth so far.

One Q: does execute work with chem pistols? Is it worth it? I'd have to raise Guns from 35 to 70 given Versatility, and I could be using that SP to get Haste up and running.

It works. In your case, it's quite decent, since you have MT and thus cryostasis which enables Execute. You can even execute Industrial bots that way!
I don't recall if the freeze from cryo pistols or gas grenades also enables it, but it should.

 

[Trashos]

Milton

I always do one "adventure" in the Caves from the South. Ie, from the train at SGS you go South, past the rats into the caves. You meet pigs, then north you meet beatles, then west there are more rats, then north there are more pigs, again north there is a lurker camp (and blowable rocks that block a GMS entrance), then east there are hoppers, then north... it is Milton!

Spoiler

From Milton you go 2 screens south to do his quest.

You can also follow a different route starting form Oculus, but there will be death stalkers.


PS. These are the pigs I farm for their oddities. It takes several visits, though.

 

[ItsChon]

Another question, multiple blades on metal armor means each blade gets a 30% chance to inflict bleed, so three blades means three thirty % chances to inflict bleed? Is it possible to do more than one stack per attack?

 

[Butter]

How do tribal attacks work? Are they triggered by expansion progress or just random? Is there any consequence to ignoring the attacks?

 

[Spark Mandriller]

One of my methods that I am not happy with is my route to the gate mechanism in DC. The literal route. There are hatches in hollow earth, but then as I walk towards the gate mechanism I find no other shelter from the Eye of Tchort, and it is just stacking until I reach the room of the mechanism.

Last time I met 9 tchortlings outside the Gate. Maybe there will be less this time if I avoid some debuffs. Anybody has found any shelter from the Eye on that final route?

No shelters once you reach Mutagen Tanks, but if you're fast enough you can still make it without seeing a single tchortling. Start from Eidein's elevator in the Tchortist outpost since it's a saferoom, and then run as fast as you can through the blocked tunnel to the north (unblock it beforehand, obviously) to the gate. You don't have time to explore or loot anything so you can't do the mutagen puzzle, but it's just possible to get to the room where you repair the gate before you max out creeping dread. And it's a saferoom too so you can reset there and then run to Tchort no problem.
Might need some move speed buff equipment like infused cave hopper and striders, and you might need to abuse manually entering combat mode for more free movement, but it's possible. As long as you don't get bad luck on the creeping dread rolls, since they're slightly random.

How do tribal attacks work? Are they triggered by expansion progress or just random? Is there any consequence to ignoring the attacks?

They're on a timer. It only ticks while you're above ground in the Black Sea so you always get a chance to defend though. If you ignore them then they auto resolve based on how many Aegis guys are left/their equipment levels/whether you activated the optional defences. Some Aegis guys will probably die but that doesn't mean anything unless they run out. If they do run out the natives win and kill the entire camp, so avoid that.
I think Briggs might get mad and potentially fire you if you refuse to ever help defend, but I might be wrong. There are a bunch of ways you can make him happier/angrier, so you'd probably need to stack a bunch in the angry direction for that. Never tried myself so I can't be sure.

 

[Fenix]

One Q: does execute work with chem pistols? Is it worth it?

It does. It's worth it vs boss types - like Rat King.

You can even execute Industrial bots that way!

Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat? Could you do that with just electroshock from EMP?

 

[Sheepherder]

You can even execute Industrial bots that way!

Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat? Could you do that with just electroshock from EMP?

Nope, electroshock pistol Short Circuits robots and for some reason that doesn't count for Execute. Hell, it doesn't even proc Opportunist.

 

[oldmanpaco]

There is supposed to one last big update soon right?

 

[Whisper]

There is supposed to one last big update soon right?

Last big update is being developered, but i do not know release date.

 

[Tigranes]

I am fucking around with a Chem Pistol + Metathermics for maximum environmentalism, after seeing a similar build in the official forum. Versatility Dex/Will build. Depot A went smooth at Dom/Oddity, given the flexibility - cooked shot, energy pistol, Mk II/III grenades, incapacitate with gloves, Freeze. Without SI/Crit it's never going to be one of the true heavy hitters but it's pretty smooth so far.

One Q: does execute work with chem pistols? Is it worth it? I'd have to raise Guns from 35 to 70 given Versatility, and I could be using that SP to get Haste up and running.

It works. In your case, it's quite decent, since you have MT and thus cryostasis which enables Execute. You can even execute Industrial bots that way!
I don't recall if the freeze from cryo pistols or gas grenades also enables it, but it should.

I played around with this, and of course the basic question I didn't consider here is - chem pistoleros don't really do big damage with the actual shot. It's not like a crit hammerer build where the bullet itself is doing hundreds of damage. So it's easy enough to trigger execute by freezing or aciding etc, but then the execute payoff seems very nonsignificant when it's only scaling off your, say, 30 base damage acid pistol?

I wonder if the solution here is to carry a hammerer in the off hand (though that means now juggling like 5 weapons). Or am I missing something even more basic? Fenix I'll try it with Rat King soon, but I assume the key is not so much damage but the ability to chain acid pool on him?

 

[Tigranes]

...well, turns out the Rat King was trivial (lv13). Once the first Cooked Shot (Acid) hit him in the doorway, it was over. Mk IV frags, combined fire/acid chem DOT, health sapped away before I ever needed to get close to him. Execute Test shall have to wait another day.

 

[oldmanpaco]

There is supposed to one last big update soon right?

Last big update is being developered, but i do not know release date.

Ahh I thought it was planned for the fall. Guess I'll wait a bit again.

 

[Gay-Lussac]

Thanks to the kind advice of fellow codexers, I made some adjustments to my build and am back to playing! Had quite a bit of fun exploring the new waterways.

Question, is there a known place for high quality TiChrome Serrated Blades? I want one for my boots, but haven't found an answer to this online. I also couldn't find an answer as for what the quality of the blade improves on the boot, I'd guess the bleed proc is a static 30% and it just adds more damage to unarmed attacks.

 

[Fenix]

RHK wearing armor that increase fire damage, my Exe critted and did 2K fire damage.

 

[Trashos]

Tigranes, are you using the cryoliquid pistol at all? I am guessing that you will not be using it now that you have Cryostasis, but have you ever found any legit use for it?

The freeze effect is nice, but at 50% probability it may take half a turn to freeze someone. I also found the DC labyrinth worms that have zero resistance to cold, while they are immune to acid and resistant to heat. They can be killed by fire, but I guess cold is an option if one can be bothered to carry the cryoliquid pistol in DC. Still, that's just one enemy.

I don't know, the cryoliquid pistol does not look competitive to me. Unless I am missing something. It should probably go full cryostasis to be competitive.

 

[Fenix]

I used it at SI clean up, where it was importnt to delay big bugs.

 

[Trashos]

I used it at SI clean up, where it was importnt to delay big bugs.

Hmm.... azuridae are very flammable. Isn't it simpler to just bombard them with fire?
I haven't tried cryo on them tbh, maybe I should. Goliaths take a while to burn.

cryo for human mook killing and crowd control (definitely the most useful chem gun), fire for critters and fear (easiest to make ammo for, yugest delayed damage multiplier)r

Humans fear fire too. I may have a blindspot, but I do not see the cryo advantage there. Setting them on fire + rooting them in place with acid looks like the simplest tactic.

 

[Trashos]

I was just thinking that the one thing I'd change is the freeze chance. Imo, it should be 75%-80%. I didn't see 60% last playthrough, I only took it to ~50% with very good materials, but I don't remember the details. I will pay more attention this time. I believe at 60% it is still low (although certainly much better than 50%). At 60% you have ~15% chance to not freeze anyone within 2 shots, ie strategically you will have to plan around freezing someone every 3 shots. That's a lot of AP for a freeze (and I am talking about endgame pistols).

 

[Tigranes]

Tigranes, are you using the cryoliquid pistol at all? I am guessing that you will not be using it now that you have Cryostasis, but have you ever found any legit use for it?

The freeze effect is nice, but at 50% probability it may take half a turn to freeze someone. I also found the DC labyrinth worms that have zero resistance to cold, while they are immune to acid and resistant to heat. They can be killed by fire, but I guess cold is an option if one can be bothered to carry the cryoliquid pistol in DC. Still, that's just one enemy.

I don't know, the cryoliquid pistol does not look competitive to me. Unless I am missing something. It should probably go full cryostasis to be competitive.

I am a big lover of acid, and usually go with it 90% of the time building everything around the goo - but this time I've been rotating all 3 types just to see.

Freeze pistols have a higher base damage rate, but you're not really multiplying that in a chem build. You can freeze enemies with the special, and it can situationally be superior to goo, especially if you aren't on Metathermics. But I am not sure it's particularly useful in general - maybe for freeze + execute as Sheepherder mentioned. At least fire has Pyromaniac to work with it and you can transition to it easily with molotovs.

But yes, part of it is the flexibility to be able to adapt to fire/cold immune enemy types, and to situations where you can't break LOS on acid. So I'd always carry all three around from now on, I think.

 

[Trashos]

Yeah, I love acid too.
The point about Execute is interesting. I have been using Ambush, and I just realized that this has biased my view of the pistols (in favor of the incendiary one, obviously). OK then.

 

[ItsChon]

Question, is there a known place for high quality TiChrome Serrated Blades? I want one for my boots, but haven't found an answer to this online. I also couldn't find an answer as for what the quality of the blade improves on the boot, I'd guess the bleed proc is a static 30% and it just adds more damage to unarmed attacks.

The best place for consistent, TiChrome Blades is Leonie's shop at the entrance of the Foundry. Bleed chance is a static 30%, and the quality changes the damage. The more blades you use, the more chances you have to roll for a bleed, but you can't stack multiple bleeds off one attack I believe.

 

[Gay-Lussac]

Question, is there a known place for high quality TiChrome Serrated Blades? I want one for my boots, but haven't found an answer to this online. I also couldn't find an answer as for what the quality of the blade improves on the boot, I'd guess the bleed proc is a static 30% and it just adds more damage to unarmed attacks.

The best place for consistent, TiChrome Blades is Leonie's shop at the entrance of the Foundry. Bleed chance is a static 30%, and the quality changes the damage. The more blades you use, the more chances you have to roll for a bleed, but you can't stack multiple bleeds off one attack I believe.

Thanks for the info! Ripper's Glove has 3 procs for bleed and it sometimes causes multiple bleeds with a single hit, so I'd imagine getting more blades on your gear works the same.

EDIT: I might actually be wrong on that last bit. Could've sworn I saw it happen, guess not.

EDIT 2: Ok, yeah, I've definitely had several bleed procs from the same strike happen just now.

 

[ItsChon]

Thanks for the info! Ripper's Glove has 3 procs for bleed and it sometimes causes multiple bleeds with a single hit, so I'd imagine getting more blades on your gear works the same.

EDIT: I might actually be wrong on that last bit. Could've sworn I saw it happen, guess not.

EDIT 2: Ok, yeah, I've definitely had several bleed procs from the same strike happen just now.

It's possible, but the Ripper's Glove is a unique glove and if you notice, it has the bleed text written three different times. It's possible more blades on your gear works the same, IDK yet. I'm currently playing a fist build and will be crafting some armor with multiple blades, so I will let you know.