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Underrail: The Incline Awakens

Discussion in 'Underrail' started by Blaine, Dec 18, 2015.

  1. jackofshadows Magister

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    Just do Abraham's quests, it's doable even without stealth.
     
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  2. Stavrophore Kalin was right all along. Patron Vatnik

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    Ive found some guys near Old Jonas, Kyl and Diedrick, helped them fend off bandits, got some keycard, but the doors are not working. Anyone have idea if that's WAD?
     
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  3. pizza_microwave Savant

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    I never managed to get that dungeon encounter since it's a waterways update, but I do know however that you meet them later. Junkyard or Core city outside a shop, can't remember.
     
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  4. pizza_microwave Savant

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    Why do people complain about backtracking in this game? It always baffled me. It's not like in most annoying games where backtracking results just in a waste of time and you end up doing nothing.
    I always saw backtracking in UD as some sort of reconnaissance before going balls deep in a situation. Like when I had to clear the West Wing I got rid of all the muties but there was another room with lunatics, didn't feel ready to face yet another room full of enemies having a clear sight of me, so I went back to shop for more traps, get better equipment... Hell, I think I came back to clear that room a level or two later in the game. As for backtracking in travel and exploration before drinking the juice. Well I mean, the exploration was always a big part of this game, it was so good in fact, that the movement speed never bothered.
     
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  5. jackofshadows Magister

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    This game is sure able to frustrate people. And when people are frustrated, they tend to complain and this is usually one of the first thing that comes to their mind I presume. There're also hoarders against which this game has some measures so they "have to" backtrack a lot in order to store/sell shit.
     
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  6. Stavrophore Kalin was right all along. Patron Vatnik

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    I can see how backtracking can be frustrating. We know the game from inside out, so we know how to optimize our routing/questing, but imagine you are playing first time. Imagine doing the spectre murder quest. You can use rail and teleport now, so it's not a problem -it was a problem maybe in the earliest beta where you didnt have fast travel.
     
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  7. normie Arcane Patron Zionist Agent

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    never minded it, I've always felt it to be an opportunity to run into random encounters

    still haven't personally experienced all of them, especially the upper underrail ones
     
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  8. Fenix Arcane Vatnik

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    But I did. Without stealing you are constant bunkrupt. At point where my @ died I went to Foundty, and had less then 30 coins -or less, but luckily got 250 for Evelyn.
     
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  9. pizza_microwave Savant

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    You save a lot of money if you craft while having the info site open.
     
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  10. Fenix Arcane Vatnik

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    If you don't steal, you are bunkrupt on Domi.
    My crossbower died from alfa rathounds at 14 lvl - cause I though - hoped like every piss poor - that what I have - riot gear I looted in underpassage - is enough, cause I caoudn't afford new, real riot gear of at least decent quality. So bunch of alfas munched my @ near Foundry.
    I'll never ever will play with no stealing-ironman.

    And that's with free loot from encounter at Rail Crossing, where I shot bunch of lurkers from across the platform, without risk.
     
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  11. jackofshadows Magister

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    Well let me ask then whether you invest in mercantile and crafting skills. If you are then I have no idea why are you struggling: you can do lots of stuff, sell only crafted gear (not the components), craft and use only what's necessary. You can also do Black Eels branch and loot all the bodies after the skirmish. And after Depot A there's so much places where you can get free loot that I don't even know. Just search for it and craft/sell. While I did advocate for pickpocketing usefulness I myuself actually have never had it more than 50 and at least 3 runs on DOM w/o it at all. Just learn to make coins, mostly it comes from crafting if needed (and xbow don't seem to be an expensive way to play to me).
     
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  12. Fenix Arcane Vatnik

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    It's that you never played no steal run and don't have idea how tight are the money...
    And don't seems to understand that ironman plays differently than none-ironman.
     
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  13. Stavrophore Kalin was right all along. Patron Vatnik

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    You can't go head on vs alpha rathounds even at lvl 10-12. Most encounter on domination need you to be juiced and loaded with best gear if you dont want to endlessly savescum shit or use shitton of traps.

    Ive played no steal domination and finished it, but the early game is very tight on money. You need good budgeting early on with priorities like molotovs, traps, flashbangs etc. Late game -i savescum supersteel because i dont like grinding money, and you should have super steel armor before expedition -you can order new set of super steel then after you secure good deal for jet ski.
     
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  14. pizza_microwave Savant

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    How the hell are you losing against rathounds that late in the game? The minimum of beartraps with Molotovs should be enough to deal with a horde of them.
     
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    abram pays big bux, dom money troubles always end there

    pickpocketing is still sweet and gets you near the charonbux you comfortably have on lesser difficulties
     
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  16. Fenix Arcane Vatnik

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    Turned out 1 turn is enough to deal outstanding damage, I had 10 Con. I underestimate them, and overestimate my gear, explained why.
    I could avoid that with better tactics, or better riot gear. 14 lvl, crit power, hm...

    no.
    Ironman requre more coins - for example, you need root soda in GMS to ensure you will act first in figth with 2 raders.
    And there is lot of such mandatory things, if you want to ensure your survival, not to luck it out.
     
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  17. Stavrophore Kalin was right all along. Patron Vatnik

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    Upgrade your stuff in tiers. I upgrade my stuff with components when i hit 80 skills in crafting, then at circa 120 and then at 160. This way you will not lose that much money if you constantly try to upgrade. Make sure to always go for best components you can craft atm and then stick with the gun/armor till you get substantially better deal, like 40 skill difference.
     
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  18. Fenix Arcane Vatnik

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    I don't try to upgrade constantly - only on the need to do basis.
    And I coudn't even do that, as I showed earlier, I need to cut the corners.
    Good arrows cost coins, and a lot of them. You could use mk1 shock - or mk3 that will ensure you will win the fight. Choice is yours - to save a few coins, or ensure you will win. But those few coins will add up.
    I had 7 Per, so I was need Monsoon crossbow with sight to have so much needed 13% thc for example.
    Also Cyclon.
     
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  19. Stavrophore Kalin was right all along. Patron Vatnik

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    Crossbowmen are generally quite expensive, much more than gunners when we count crafting W2C ammo. It's a shame that dissasembly perk doesn't let you yield microshock components and other primary crafting stuff for your AMMO needs. I think styg could fix that, and the perk itself would be actually worth it then. Like one basic EMP mine dissasembled = thee microshock dischargers or something like that.
     
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  20. Trashos Arcane

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    I don't think DOM requires pickpocketing, even if it is nice to have. It does need Mercantile though (which Hard doesn't). Maybe pickpocketing depends on the build. Some cheap builds like fist or psi don't need it. But now I am playing chemical pistols which are expensive, I have all crafting/mercantile/pickpocketing, and I am still always low on money (having bought the Devastator and some super steel, though).

    Do you take the money (and the tacvest and the shield) from the Junkyard casino?

    It was too slow back when you could not speed up the game. Now I find it nice, it gives me a breather between all the fighting. For me one of the biggest problems in DC is that there is nothing to break the pace there. The dlc does not have this problem, as you can go back to the cities any time.

    That's Utility Station 7, the West Wing is the one with all the Death Stalkers.
     
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    2117 U 1.80 GHz, 4 GB RAM, integrated video card, worked mostly fine
     
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    To be fair, I haven't played DOM a single time without a trader refresh. I like the combat difficulty and large number of enemies but the price reduction is bollocks and I have no desire to spend hours on doing trader runs for a meager change
     
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  23. Raghar Arcane

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    I played no stealing ironman. Then I found DLC doesn't increase attributes per level, and moded strength to be able to use that hammer without min maxing.

    Max level is bullshit especially for skill points.
     
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  24. Parabalus Arcane

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    Look through the patch notes a bit and see how many changes were made to speed up backtracking, you'll understand where the complaints were coming from.

    But if leaving a dungeon to go restock is fine for you that means you have a very high tolerance for busywork and backtracking.
     
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  25. Fenix Arcane Vatnik

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    Eh, no - I coudn't manage to develop failsafe tactic for its robbery, so I avoided it, cause I failed there couple of times already.
    You could get caught while entering guard room - someove could come from north, if you not in stealth, or if you ARE - you could just not steal money in time before guard returns, so you could stumble at him at doorframe.
     
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