-
Welcome to rpgcodex.net, a site dedicated to discussing computer based role-playing games in a free and open fashion. We're less strict than other forums, but please refer to the rules.
"This message is awaiting moderator approval": All new users must pass through our moderation queue before they will be able to post normally. Until your account has "passed" your posts will only be visible to yourself (and moderators) until they are approved. Give us a week to get around to approving / deleting / ignoring your mundane opinion on crap before hassling us about it. Once you have passed the moderation period (think of it as a test), you will be able to post normally, just like all the other retards.
Underrail: The Incline Awakens
- Thread starter Blaine
- Start date
CHEMS
Scholar
- Joined
- Nov 17, 2020
- Messages
- 1,694
Not even jelly. AoE crits from shockbolts are just too damn good. They're light weight too
Blackmill
Scholar
- Joined
- Dec 25, 2014
- Messages
- 326
Been playing a Survival Instincts + Psychosis build.
Hemopsychosis is really good, especially combined with Last Stand. I was worried these feats would be good in theory, but not in practice. I was wrong.
The attribute distribution is rough, needing 10 Will, 9 CON, and 6 INT. I consider Grenadier one of the strongest feats in the game, but having 6 Dex means dumping Agility. It's kind of okay, since there's so many bonuses to stealth, but it does hurt early on and Sprint is very missed.
This is also my first proper playthrough since the psi overhaul. I'm finding that Thought Control has taken a back seat to the other schools. It's still powerful, but very situational. For the most part, I'd rather have LTE for more Cryokinetic Orbs or Pscyho-temporal Contraction to put out 3 Electrokinesis per turn when combined with an adrenaline shot. Speaking of...
I thought some of the Temporal Manipulation abilities (namely LTE and Contraction) would be too costly to fit in to a Psychosis build, since boosters are weaker there's multi-school penalties. They actually feel super important, and can be used just fine with Hemopsychosis.
I've put my specialization points into Psychosis, but I think that was a mistake. It feels way more important to shorten the CD on Hemopsychosis, Premeditation, and Psionic Mania.
The build is still super fragile. High CON means nothing without good armor too. I suppose it's possible to wear metal armor with Rathound Barbeque and the Power Fist, at the cost of losing Grenadier or not maximizing Will to get 6 STR, but that would also require investing into mechanics with a build that's already spread thin on skill points. It would also mean being bad at stealth, and although you could technically carry two armors, I try not to abuse the game mechanics too much.
Currently in the Black Sea, and psi crabs are the toughest enemies I've encountered for this build, since none of the AoE / multi-target psi abilities have the right damage type. I chose Praetorian Security for a change of pace, but Coretech would have obviously been better, and MK III plasma grenades would probably be really helpful right now.
Hemopsychosis is really good, especially combined with Last Stand. I was worried these feats would be good in theory, but not in practice. I was wrong.
The attribute distribution is rough, needing 10 Will, 9 CON, and 6 INT. I consider Grenadier one of the strongest feats in the game, but having 6 Dex means dumping Agility. It's kind of okay, since there's so many bonuses to stealth, but it does hurt early on and Sprint is very missed.
This is also my first proper playthrough since the psi overhaul. I'm finding that Thought Control has taken a back seat to the other schools. It's still powerful, but very situational. For the most part, I'd rather have LTE for more Cryokinetic Orbs or Pscyho-temporal Contraction to put out 3 Electrokinesis per turn when combined with an adrenaline shot. Speaking of...
I thought some of the Temporal Manipulation abilities (namely LTE and Contraction) would be too costly to fit in to a Psychosis build, since boosters are weaker there's multi-school penalties. They actually feel super important, and can be used just fine with Hemopsychosis.
I've put my specialization points into Psychosis, but I think that was a mistake. It feels way more important to shorten the CD on Hemopsychosis, Premeditation, and Psionic Mania.
The build is still super fragile. High CON means nothing without good armor too. I suppose it's possible to wear metal armor with Rathound Barbeque and the Power Fist, at the cost of losing Grenadier or not maximizing Will to get 6 STR, but that would also require investing into mechanics with a build that's already spread thin on skill points. It would also mean being bad at stealth, and although you could technically carry two armors, I try not to abuse the game mechanics too much.
Currently in the Black Sea, and psi crabs are the toughest enemies I've encountered for this build, since none of the AoE / multi-target psi abilities have the right damage type. I chose Praetorian Security for a change of pace, but Coretech would have obviously been better, and MK III plasma grenades would probably be really helpful right now.
Last edited:
Blackmill
Scholar
- Joined
- Dec 25, 2014
- Messages
- 326
That's how I remember it in the past, but enrage is now 2 turns instead of 4, and the radius for LoC is one tile smaller. I've actually been using LoC with mental breakdown more often. I've also started to use it more as a follow up than as initiation, except in tight quarters where I can't take advantage of the range of other abilities.
Edit: Also, looks like the general nerf to TC abilities (TC skill needs to be higher relative to target resolve) was also post-Expedition. I was wondering why it felt like enemies were resisting my thought control abilities more often.
Last edited:
Sykar
Arcane
I played a Psycho Tincan with 8 strength and max melee. No stealth. Much harder to play especially early and I struggled with the right order of feats since Juggernaut, Conditioning and Stocism are needed for this build but their effectiveness is related to your health pool. Still was fun seeing lesser enemies like Rathounds trying to gnaw at my metal arse helplessly while I smashed their teeth in with my Power Fist not wasting any PSI points on them.
Some1 made a video about this type of build. Pretty cool if you can get it to this level:
Last edited:
Blackmill
Scholar
- Joined
- Dec 25, 2014
- Messages
- 326
Getting towards the end, just finished a few of the tougher fights.
- Øyensørm went pretty smoothly. My initial plan was to sneak past the enemies and kill him on the first turn, but my stealth wasn't good enough, so I was forced to engage near the entrance. This meant the serpents couldn't hit me, and not killing Øyensørm immediately was inconsequential.
- The Magnar fight was a bit tougher. Just a lot of enemies, but the narrow corridor does mean that AoE abilities were super strong. I didn't have the special object to kill his ghost, though.
- First time fighting the arena masters. I assumed it would be hard, but they went down without any reloads. LoC + Mental Breakdown then killed them one by one with 90 AP for Neural Overload.
- I next went to the Lemurian Grand Archive. I haven't figured this one out. Four Nagas is tough. I know I could wait until they are separated, kill the isolated one, and use a vanishing powder. But I'm trying to avoid cheap strats. A Tranquility build with Continuum Ripple would probably do just fine, but I went with Psychosis.
- After the Grand Archive, I think there's maybe three tough fights remaining. The Fort Apogee courtyard, the Destroyer where Captain Grim resides, and the Faceless Commander encounter after killing Tchort. Not sure I'm going to go through the Deep Caverns, though.
- The Magnar fight was a bit tougher. Just a lot of enemies, but the narrow corridor does mean that AoE abilities were super strong. I didn't have the special object to kill his ghost, though.
- First time fighting the arena masters. I assumed it would be hard, but they went down without any reloads. LoC + Mental Breakdown then killed them one by one with 90 AP for Neural Overload.
- I next went to the Lemurian Grand Archive. I haven't figured this one out. Four Nagas is tough. I know I could wait until they are separated, kill the isolated one, and use a vanishing powder. But I'm trying to avoid cheap strats. A Tranquility build with Continuum Ripple would probably do just fine, but I went with Psychosis.
- After the Grand Archive, I think there's maybe three tough fights remaining. The Fort Apogee courtyard, the Destroyer where Captain Grim resides, and the Faceless Commander encounter after killing Tchort. Not sure I'm going to go through the Deep Caverns, though.
Last edited:
CHEMS
Scholar
- Joined
- Nov 17, 2020
- Messages
- 1,694
Poor knifegaf, he was so happy with this build when he posted it on youtube, Styg saw it and nerfed it in the next day
Sykar
Arcane
We just can't have nice things!
Blackmill
Scholar
- Joined
- Dec 25, 2014
- Messages
- 326
As a general question, how high do you think a builds primary combat attribute needs to be? Or rather, at what point is it better to increase some other attribute instead?
I'm doing just fine with 14 Will in my current playthrough (feels like more than enough), and looks like the bloodpsican build in the video has just 11 Will (speaking of, what was nerfed?).
Any one have experience with guns / xbows in the 10-14 PER range or STR / Dex melee with similar values? I imagine 10 provides enough damage per hit, so beyond that the question is how much is needed for good enough precision (and with light weapons, AP). I wouldn't be shocked if only throwing and Dex melee builds actually benefit much from having the primary attribute be above 13.
I'm doing just fine with 14 Will in my current playthrough (feels like more than enough), and looks like the bloodpsican build in the video has just 11 Will (speaking of, what was nerfed?).
Any one have experience with guns / xbows in the 10-14 PER range or STR / Dex melee with similar values? I imagine 10 provides enough damage per hit, so beyond that the question is how much is needed for good enough precision (and with light weapons, AP). I wouldn't be shocked if only throwing and Dex melee builds actually benefit much from having the primary attribute be above 13.
Last edited:
Parabalus
Arcane
- Joined
- Mar 23, 2015
- Messages
- 17,501
Even with max Melee and 18 STR/DEX you won't have max THC vs free enemies.
I guess, the question is what else is there to pump?
Most builds can just dump CON/PER to 3 and have enough points to go around. PSI is a bit tight on attributes since the changes.
Blackmill
Scholar
- Joined
- Dec 25, 2014
- Messages
- 326
I was thinking of weird builds that would wear metal armor and have 7+ CON, but try to maintain some degree of mobility (or even stealth) with Armor Sloping and Sprint, and not sacrifice Grenadier. But I also had in mind melee versatility with enough STR and PER to use all types of guns and have some of the better feats too (i.e. Full Auto and Concentrated Fire). I've always been curious how these would play out. There's a couple other builds that would require a primary attribute in the 10-15 range, but I agree that most builds have enough points to go around while maxing one attribute.
- Joined
- Jan 15, 2015
- Messages
- 13,160
how long was that encounter in real time?
Absolute legend. Haters will say it was fake.
Tygrende
Arbiter
- Joined
- Aug 2, 2017
- Messages
- 874
A bit over 22 minutes.
Hours spent to figure out how and actually do it not included.
CHEMS
Scholar
- Joined
- Nov 17, 2020
- Messages
- 1,694
You just made history, Styg said in the comments that your run is the canon ending
Jrpgfan
Erudite
- Joined
- Feb 7, 2016
- Messages
- 2,109
Yo, does anyone know if there's a way to change your character portrait midgame?
I've tried both these methods here: https://stygiansoftware.com/forums/index.php?topic=1304.45
But neither worked(the hex one I can't even find the line specified there by the user).
I've tried both these methods here: https://stygiansoftware.com/forums/index.php?topic=1304.45
But neither worked(the hex one I can't even find the line specified there by the user).
razvedchiki
Magister
im playing a max dex pistol, also took 9 per and 70 firearms skill for the feats.
should i continue lvling melee to get versatility or continue lvling firearms skill?
should i continue lvling melee to get versatility or continue lvling firearms skill?
- Joined
- Jan 15, 2015
- Messages
- 13,160
9 per? for which feat? Can you share what you got so far?
In general if you got versatility and max dex, your melee should outperform firearm skill. I have this in my archives https://underrail.info/build/?GAMQC...ABLwqMXHSYGEwsRw5HDkksSwp4aR8KF4rWuBOK9hAXfvw
CHEMS
Scholar
- Joined
- Nov 17, 2020
- Messages
- 1,694
He could go for 10 PER to grab sharpshooter, but 3 PER max DEX is much superior for versatility builds
razvedchiki
Magister
i took everything that works with firearm pistols exept sharpshooter that requires 10 per.
at what lvl should i start taking versatility? im at lvl 14 atm and it doesnt make a difference.
As an Amazon Associate, rpgcodex.net earns from qualifying purchases.