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World of Darkness Vampire: The Masquerade – Bloodlines 2 from Hardsuit Labs

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This. SJW themes in this setting make no sense whatsover.

Psssst, the emo goth vampire fiction fans of the 1990s and 2000s were pretty much the same type of people who nowadays become social justice fans.

Vampire: The Masquerade and the whole story-centric RPG trend of the 1990s was essentially proto-SJW and its adherents can be found inhabiting the rpg.net forums to this day. It may have been different once, but it was never implicitly reactionary or conservative the same way traditional medieval fantasy roleplaying is.
 

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Psssst, the emo goth vampire fiction fans of the 1990s and 2000s were pretty much the same type of people who nowadays become social justice fans.

Vampire: The Masquerade and the whole story-centric RPG trend of the 1990s was essentially proto-SJW and its adherents can be found inhabiting the rpg.net forums to this day. It may have been different once, but it was never implicitly reactionary or conservative the same way traditional medieval fantasy roleplaying is.


Prior RPGs managed to include people from all kinds of walks of life without focusing on that. You could marry a dude as a dude in Fallout 2. They were made by people with a healthy relationship with these topics, not virtue signaling pricks who have no idea what they are talking about. Really, though, as a minority myself, I've never felt past RPGs judging me or calling me an abomination of nature, which is pretty good. They managed to be "inclusive" without these circus acts.
 

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Enjoy the Revolution! Another revolution around the sun that is. Serpent in the Staglands Dead State Divinity: Original Sin Project: Eternity Torment: Tides of Numenera Wasteland 2 Shadorwun: Hong Kong Divinity: Original Sin 2 A Beautifully Desolate Campaign Pillars of Eternity 2: Deadfire Pathfinder: Kingmaker Pathfinder: Wrath I'm very into cock and ball torture I helped put crap in Monomyth
Prior RPGs managed to include people from all kinds of walks of life without focusing on that. You could marry a dude as a dude in Fallout 2. They were made by people with a healthy relationship with these topics, not virtue signaling pricks who have no idea what they are talking about. Really, though, as a minority myself, I've never felt past RPGs judging me or calling me an abomination of nature, which is pretty good. They managed to be "inclusive" without these circus acts.

No shit, but there's a distance between that and arguing that VTM is meant to be a conservative campaign setting about being "resistant to change", lol.

I mean, if you want this game to have the same style as the first Bloodlines, then just argue for that. You have a pretty strong case - the game is after all called "Bloodlines 2".
 

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What is "the same style"? It's one of the most "diverse" games in existence without trying so, so hard to be such. Yeah, obviously I want it to be the same style, it's Bloodlines 2.
 

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If leftists were left alone you would have "Venezuelans" all over the world instead of well fed, high-quality-blood Swiss.
you are such a retard, man (the church of aod schism, 2019, colorized)

how can you use the words "were left alone" and then refer to a country under several sanctions that had literally billions in gold stolen from them in shady international deals that amount to pretty much a siege, like there was literally a coup attempt not so long ago lmao

besides,

Your entire response is extremely like STEMcel core "analysis" that misses the point. Stories about vampires are art, they are metaphorical from their very inception(stake your landlord) adjusting the way you tell these stories to better fit themes relevant to the current zeitgeits is completely normal and precisely what should happen. Nitpicking the "realism" of some of these changes is like blue hat tier.

Especially since the nitpicking is not even particularly good. The Camarilla is like, what, 600 years old? What great antiquity! It was borne out of a time of chaos when the inquisitions and young rebellious vampires were making a huge mess of things resulting in radical changes to cainite society.
It is also not resistant to change, given that it literally just changed very rapidly in response to the second inquisition starting shit again and bombing the most important Tremere base.

The entire current metaplot(I have my objections to v5 but this game is using it is canon so that's what we are working with) is a time of great change in vampire society from the way the more elder vampires have gone into hiding to the appearance of the withering. We have literally just undergone what many believed to be the end of the world(which also was the reason why thin-blood were hated - they were seen as portent of gehenna, not your "conclusion" about them being somehow a hindrance to the ability of elders to feed) what better time for a shakeup in society?

Also like incorporating modern themes isn't about 500yo elders respecting your pronouns. It's about young vampire attempting to assert their cultural baggage AGAINST the more conservative old vampire elements.(usually)

You are also somewhat clueless about your conception of "arrogance" "evil" and "tolerance". There is a perfectly good argument that elder vampire who have grown so alien from the base concepts of humanity will give absolutely zero fucks and not be at all offended by the LGBTQ elements of society as they would see them as just a part of the vulgar human experience no different from securing a future for while children with your big tiddy goth gf.

I am also not convinced that any elder worth their salt would really be SHOCKED by a trans person given that one of the most prominent vampire figures in the world has been doing gender fuckery for ages now. Like literally one of the most important political meetings in vampire history was concluded by this person "throwing his own genitals into the Ventrue's face". The Ventrue's name? Hardestadt the leading figure in the founding of the Camarilla.

Name: Sascha Vykos, born Myca Vykos
Gender:
  • Male (originally)
  • Female (frequently)
  • Genderless (currently)
triggered yet, reactionarytard?

(if you give me autism rating infinitron you must give him one too btw, this is what I mean about like your cutting policy punishing dissident opinions mainly as the popular ones get posted without any reaction or derail)

This. SJW themes in this setting makes no sense whatsover.
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how many white wolf publications have you read?
like buddy boy there is a reason why SJWs and queers are a good portion of this long established setting's fanbase


Like, fuck off.

This is not your setting to bitch about. You enjoyed one fucking video game based on it and now you go bitching about how the SJWs are radically changing the whole thing over when always and forever this game was primarily aimed at the degenerate librul cucks who put on nail polish and eye makeup to larp how mean the world was to them while hissing at each other.
 

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Psssst, the emo goth vampire fiction fans of the 1990s and 2000s were pretty much the same type of people who nowadays become social justice fans.

Vampire: The Masquerade and the whole story-centric RPG trend of the 1990s was essentially proto-SJW and its adherents can be found inhabiting the rpg.net forums to this day. It may have been different once, but it was never implicitly reactionary or conservative the same way traditional medieval fantasy roleplaying is.
You are confusing wanting to look cool in a Vampire/Gothic teenager fashion with political agendas about trannies, gays and blacks. They have nothing in common except the fact of being retarded.
 

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Psssst, the emo goth vampire fiction fans of the 1990s and 2000s were pretty much the same type of people who nowadays become social justice fans.

There's a distinct difference between the liberals of past decades and the liberals of today.
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i guess back then #metoo entailed lithuanian hitmen
 

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This. SJW themes in this setting make no sense whatsover.

Psssst, the emo goth vampire fiction fans of the 1990s and 2000s were pretty much the same type of people who nowadays become social justice fans.

Vampire: The Masquerade and the whole story-centric RPG trend of the 1990s was essentially proto-SJW and its adherents can be found inhabiting the rpg.net forums to this day. It may have been different once, but it was never implicitly reactionary or conservative the same way traditional medieval fantasy roleplaying is.
Infi, colored hair and wanting to be special does not equate to being a goth or punk or emo. Don't equate a totalitarian, fascist, dogmatic group that acts akin to a cult or a religion to fashion and culture.
 

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Psssst, the emo goth vampire fiction fans of the 1990s and 2000s were pretty much the same type of people who nowadays become social justice fans.

There's a distinct difference between the liberals of past decades and the liberals of today.
1484231915571.jpg

i guess back then #metoo entailed lithuanian hitmen

If it were today, he'd be an incel coming into the bar to hit on her, instead of blackmailing for puss puss.
 

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Psssst, the emo goth vampire fiction fans of the 1990s and 2000s were pretty much the same type of people who nowadays become social justice fans.

There's a distinct difference between the liberals of past decades and the liberals of today.
1484231915571.jpg

i guess back then #metoo entailed lithuanian hitmen

If it were today, he'd be an incel coming into the bar to hit on her, instead of blackmailing for puss puss.
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what about Literal Communism (tm) was that also from the good old days
 

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1484231915571.jpg

i guess back then #metoo entailed lithuanian hitmen
He was a fat, misogynistic old man, though. And she did fuck him to hold onto her club. Want a stronk, independent wamyn who manages to find a way out of her specific problems? Here she is.
 
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Just put people in a situation where the game will punish you for making "alt-right" choices, if such choices are in the game.
I was talking about PnP, where any punishment is left to the discretion of the DM.
So you've never been to a modern tabletop group then? Everything I just said applies there too. You either stay silent and accept that the campaign is about how evil Donald Trump the orange vampire is putting Trans people in the ovens. Or you speak up, get forced out, banned and are unable to play VtM and this is all sanctioned by the fucking rule book. And you can't just find another group either. There are barely any as it is.
 
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what about Literal Communism (tm) was that also from the good old days

Damsel is a parody, you idiot.
Fucking finally. I was hoping you idiots on the codex wouldn't be autistic for a bit and understand irony. But everytime I've tried to point it out or be ironic myself, your autism never fails you.
 

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