World of Darkness Vampire: The Masquerade – Bloodlines 2 from Hardsuit Labs

[pomenitul]

Nothing quite like a Balkanic Slav fantasizing about a Nazi takeover. To quote Adolf Hitler, 'to label the Bulgarians as Slavs is pure nonsense; originally they were Turkomans.'

 

[fantadomat]

Nothing quite like a Balkanic Slav fantasizing about a Nazi takeover. To quote Adolf Hitler, 'to label the Bulgarians as Slavs is pure nonsense; originally they were Turkomans.'

Didn't know that he was an Englishman,but ok.

 

[hivemind]

not gonna lie

vulgarians are oven tier

 

[fantadomat]

not gonna lie

vulgarians are oven tier

Go do the vertical slice,you genetic dead end!

 

[hivemind]

the only acceptable form of suicide is by firing squad

 

[hivemind]

*it counts as suicide if you give the order to fire

 

[hivemind]

(rope is allowed if you are a published* writer)



*or rejected 20+ times by at least 12 different publishers for DIFFERENT works

 

[Thonius]

(rope is allowed if you are a published* writer)



*or rejected 20+ times by at least 12 different publishers for DIFFERENT works

Well go and write 20 shitty novels :^)

 

[Wesp5]

And to be honest, I think it will just turn to black and most of it will be in our heads.

Which is exactly how Bloodlines did it, so regardless of all the SJW talk here, we shouldn't forget that Bloodlines was heavily censored when it was released too. Like we had a fade out and some sounds for Jeanette which was very hard to get to anyway, and only a hint at stuff going on in the streets. Everything else was restored by the patch because most of it was actually still there, only disabled on purpose probably on behalf of Activision...

 

[Wulfric Pinewood]

I like that industrial tranquil electro beats in ost of bloodlines 2 ,1 and Cyberpunk from CDPR.

 

[HansDampf]

And to be honest, I think it will just turn to black and most of it will be in our heads.

Which is exactly how Bloodlines did it, so regardless of all the SJW talk here, we shouldn't forget that Bloodlines was heavily censored when it was released too. Like we had a fade out and some sounds for Jeanette ...

Thank goodness! That's not censorship. Nobody wants to see that scene animated, considering how all the other ... less challenging cutscenes look in that game.
Let's hope Bloodlines 2 isn't going to have biowarian romances. The closest thing to a romance in Bloodlines would be Heather, and that relationship doesn't end in sex.

 

[Chippy]

I suppose now is the best time to ask something that has bothered me for a while regarding the White Wolf lore: can vampires get a hard-on or not? I suppose (since it's 2019) I also have to add that I'm referring to vampires with a cock. I wanna know for my next playthrough of Bloodlines that my character is giving Jaennete Voerman something ot remember him by.

 

[Chainsaw Gutsfuck]

Their bodies are technically dead but they can stimulate their genitals by controlling the blood in their veins iirc

 

[rusty_shackleford]

I suppose now is the best time to ask something that has bothered me for a while regarding the White Wolf lore: can vampires get a hard-on or not? I suppose (since it's 2019) I also have to add that I'm referring to vampires with a cock. I wanna know for my next playthrough of Bloodlines that my character is giving Jaennete Voerman something ot remember him by.

I answered this earlier in the thread.
Yes, they can.

Because Blush of Life isn't an illusion?

By spending a variable number ofblood points, a vampire may will himself to appear more human for a scene: flushing his skin, drawing breath, even becoming capable of engag- ing in sexual intercourse (this last, while helpful in certain types of feeding, in no way means that the vampire may inseminate a mortal or become pregnant; a corpse is still a corpse, after all). Performing these actions for a scene requires an expenditure of blood points equal to (8 minus Humanity); thus, Kindred with Humanity scores of 8 or higher may accomplish these feats automatically, while vampires with low Humanity find the process exceedingly arduous.

Engaging in sexual intercourse is in the rulebook.

 

[Storyfag]

I suppose now is the best time to ask something that has bothered me for a while regarding the White Wolf lore: can vampires get a hard-on or not? I suppose (since it's 2019) I also have to add that I'm referring to vampires with a cock.

Yes.

I wanna know for my next playthrough of Bloodlines that my character is giving Jaennete Voerman something ot remember him by.

Not with the cock. If they drank each others' blood though, that's a different story.

 

[Delterius]

tfw anne rice's career started in 70s and people think vampire hardon is current year

 

[Vibalist]

And to be honest, I think it will just turn to black and most of it will be in our heads.

Which is exactly how Bloodlines did it, so regardless of all the SJW talk here, we shouldn't forget that Bloodlines was heavily censored when it was released too. Like we had a fade out and some sounds for Jeanette ...

Thank goodness! That's not censorship. Nobody wants to see that scene animated, considering how all the other ... less challenging cutscenes look in that game.
Let's hope Bloodlines 2 isn't going to have biowarian romances. The closest thing to a romance in Bloodlines would be Heather, and that relationship doesn't end in sex.

And the type of relationship the PC has with Heather is probably the only type of relationship a vampire can have. They're supposed to be manipulative and monstrous, not loving and romantic. It would be a total misfire if they tried to shoehorn a real, romantic relationship into their game.

 

[Delterius]

And to be honest, I think it will just turn to black and most of it will be in our heads.

Which is exactly how Bloodlines did it, so regardless of all the SJW talk here, we shouldn't forget that Bloodlines was heavily censored when it was released too. Like we had a fade out and some sounds for Jeanette ...

Thank goodness! That's not censorship. Nobody wants to see that scene animated, considering how all the other ... less challenging cutscenes look in that game.
Let's hope Bloodlines 2 isn't going to have biowarian romances. The closest thing to a romance in Bloodlines would be Heather, and that relationship doesn't end in sex.

And the type of relationship the PC has with Heather is probably the only type of relationship a vampire can have. They're supposed to be manipulative and monstrous, not loving and romantic. It would be a total misfire if they tried to shoehorn a real, romantic relationship into their game.

hey, turning your vampire dick into a dead decomposing dildo for heather for a whole blood point is nothing if not a loving thing to do :friendly:

 

[rusty_shackleford]

And to be honest, I think it will just turn to black and most of it will be in our heads.

Which is exactly how Bloodlines did it, so regardless of all the SJW talk here, we shouldn't forget that Bloodlines was heavily censored when it was released too. Like we had a fade out and some sounds for Jeanette ...

Thank goodness! That's not censorship. Nobody wants to see that scene animated, considering how all the other ... less challenging cutscenes look in that game.
Let's hope Bloodlines 2 isn't going to have biowarian romances. The closest thing to a romance in Bloodlines would be Heather, and that relationship doesn't end in sex.

And the type of relationship the PC has with Heather is probably the only type of relationship a vampire can have. They're supposed to be manipulative and monstrous, not loving and romantic. It would be a total misfire if they tried to shoehorn a real, romantic relationship into their game.

did you skip over VV?

 

[Lacrymas]

Yes, they can get erect.


Ok, even though we've talked about this extensively, I wonder why, there are some new thoughts I have that may seem interesting. First of all, if we are going to go by the lore and by the most drama potential, we have to say that the physical side of sex means nothing and it doesn't feel different than being touched on any other part of your body. This is mostly a curse, not a better form of being a human. When we remove the biological drive for having sex, but also taking into account what it does for the vampire outside of strengthening social relationships, what is left is the purely intellectual desire for some kind of intimacy that they try to fulfill with sex. The vampires are hollow husks in terms of emotions, they don't feel anything apart from the hunger for blood, the instinct of self-preservation, and some form of emotional and physical orgasm when they bite someone, so the act of sex itself is purely a mechanical exercise, no more pleasurable than holding hands. This can be great drama potential, the vampire that longs for the thrills s/he is now denied, like Don Giovanni, yearning for love that doesn't exist. Engaging in sex is a vain attempt at recapturing something. Or a way to explore different kinds of intimate relationships that don't rely on sex or emotions.

The lore has a kind of workaround - the Blood Bonds. The only way for a vampire to feel just a slight echo of emotional intimacy, it isn't like being a human, but it's through the only thing vampires have, blood. It's infinitely faint, though, it's not "just as good as the real thing" and that's also great drama fodder. It might be confused with love, it's like seeing love through the shards of a broken mirror, but it might convince some vampires it's real and they can feel something. I don't know why I want to repeat that this is and should be a curse. This is why vampires become alien in their mindsets after a while, they completely forget what it was like to feel anything outside of hunger. Vampires might also try to have sex with one another and drink blood from each other's genitals, like a mockery of the human act.

 

[rusty_shackleford]

Yes, they can get erect.


Ok, even though we've talked about this extensively, I wonder why, there are some new thoughts I have that may seem interesting. First of all, if we are going to go by the lore and by the most drama potential, we have to say that the physical side of sex means nothing and it doesn't feel different than being touched on any other part of your body. This is mostly a curse, not a better form of being a human. When we remove the biological drive of having sex, but also taking into account what it does for the vampire outside of strengthening social relationships, what is left is the purely intellectual desire for some kind of intimacy that they try to fulfill with sex. The vampires are hollow husks in terms of emotions, they don't feel anything apart from the hunger for blood, the instinct of self-preservation, and some form of orgasm when they bite someone, so the act of sex itself is purely a mechanical exercise, no more pleasurable than holding hands. This can be great drama potential, the vampire that longs for the thrills s/he is now denied, like Don Giovanni, yearning for love that doesn't exist. Or a way to explore different kinds of intimate relationships that don't rely on sex or emotions.

The lore has a kind of workaround - the Blood Bonds. The only way for a vampire to feel just a slight echo of emotional intimacy, it isn't like being a human, but it's through the only thing vampires have, blood. It's infinitely faint, though, it's not "just as good as the real thing" and that's also great drama fodder. I don't know why I feel the need to repeat that this is and should be a curse. This is why vampires become alien in their mindsets after a while, they completely forget what it was like to feel anything outside of hunger.

Going to need some citations for this.
Why would Toreadors engage in orgies if they feel nothing?
If they're "hollow husks in terms of emotions" then why does the masochist flaw exist?
If sex wasn't enjoyable then they'd likely have added it in the rulebook where they explicitly say vampires can engage in sex and give you some information about it. (Actually, they specifically say "Sex is great" on v20 p.9 fyi)

What you're suggesting is that vampires are nothing but robots with blood addictions. That simply is not true. If they had no way of enjoying themselves outside of feeding and diablerie then they'd all just off themselves from boredom, nobody would be playing a long game in this scenario.

 

[Lacrymas]

They can feel pain, that isn't an emotion, it's a sensation. They did add sex in the rulebook and said you can simulate it by spending an entire blood point (!) and you can force yourself to orgasm, you don't feel anything by being stimulated otherwise, and it would feel a bit good, but it doesn't come with emotions of intimacy or excitement, it's just a very brief jolt of physical pleasure that requires you to expend precious blood (I thirst from lack of precious blood!) and pales in comparison to the Kiss. I don't know what you mean by Toreadors engaging in orgies, give me examples.

Either way, vampires are bored most of the time, just ask the Toreador, but they can still engage in intellectual pursuits that will pass the time, that doesn't mean they get any satisfaction or emotions out of it. And boredom or not being bored is also not an emotion, it's a state of mind. You don't emotionally feel bored, you are bored.

 

[rusty_shackleford]

They can feel pain, that isn't an emotion, it's a sensation.

Are you an ESL?
Masochism is enjoyment from pain.

They did add sex in the rulebook and said you can simulate it by spending an entire blood point (!)

It's free for high humanity vampires. Did you skip over me citing the rulebook?

you don't feel anything by being stimulated otherwise, and it would feel a bit good, but it doesn't come with emotions of intimacy or excitement, it's just a very brief jolt of physical pleasure that requires you to expend precious blood.

v20 specifically says "Sex is great" when comparing it to the kiss as being a lesser experience to the latter.

I don't know why you mean by Toreadors engaging in orgies, give me examples.

I'd have to go dig through source material.

 

[Lacrymas]

No, you are confusing getting erect/lubricated with the Blush of Life, you always have to spend a blood point for those things, BoL is free for high humanity vamps. Masochism is a complex topic, you can get intellectual enjoyment out of it, not purely physically, and again it would just be a physical sensation, not an emotion.

 

[vota DC]

So, if I get this right, then we start as a Thinblood and without a chosen Clan? Does that mean, that we can choose our clan later? Does anybody know, if we are bound to the three Disciplines of Bloodlines 1 again or will we get more of those over the course of the game? The one thing that Redemption did better than Bloodlines was the variety of disciplines to use.

As for the story getting more harmless: Guys, it's Vampire. There will be plenty of sleaze and Sex and violence for everyone. The setting lives from it's grimdark fetishes, I don't think the Vampires will be suddenly nice and cuddly. Best case scenario will turn everybody bi, so we can hump (except the guys, because no homo, I know. It's okay boys, I know how afraid you are) all the hot Vampires as much as we want. In the end it's a commercial product and ethics don't sell. Sex and violence do.

But why diablerize someone if you already can have more than 3 disciplines?