World of Darkness Vampire: The Masquerade – Bloodlines 2 from Hardsuit Labs

[Herumor]

- Florian said that they chose the classic Bloodlines 1 clans so there is a better chance to make Bloodlines 3 latter with the more rare clans and bloodlines.

So basically if the game doesn't sell well, no chance of seeing other non-standard clans in a VtM video game. I have to ask, does anyone know how much it would have to sell for Bloodlines 3 to happen?

 

[Delterius]

- Florian said that they chose the classic Bloodlines 1 clans so there is a better chance to make Bloodlines 3 latter with the more rare clans and bloodlines.

So basically if the game doesn't sell well, no chance of seeing other non-standard clans in a VtM video game. I have to ask, does anyone know how much it would have to sell for Bloodlines 3 to happen?

fear not

i have preordered another copy

 

[Vaarna_Aarne]

Well the weakness for Ventrue in original Bloodlines was kind of a watered down version of their real weakness. The PnP version of the curse isn't just that they can't feed from animals, it's that Ventrue can only feed from a specific type of people (vampires are exempt). Very specific types of people, like the examples given over the various editions are Only Virgin Women, Only Senators, Only Younger Sisters, Only Young Men, Only the Swiss, Only Nude Children (wat).


Anyway while indeed as has been said before and recently that Malk is the fanservice and the popular option, the question is really just if they are going to put in the work (and of course, it won't be fishmalk according to Mitsoda, which may or may not negate fanservice). I'll still put highest odds to Gangrel just because it's the last full basic (the only thing I suppose might be a question mark here is if they figure the Gangrel clan curse is too much work or it's not worth it to just sidestep it). Nosferatu is possible, question I guess is the character customization involved and how much it's worth it in regards to the flavor qualities (I am assuming they'd want to do more than in Bloodlines where it's basically window dressing). Lasombra is as far as I'm concerned the wildcard, but also fairly likely because of Obtenebration's style and applicability for vidya.

The same kind of an idiot that gets an office with a full glass window for a wall in a high building, to make sure the sun is always shining on their undead corpse.

Obviously she works at night and sleeps during the day, dummy.

And you don't have to limit yourself to just one room of your big skyscraper.

 

[Wunderbar]

Well the weakness for Ventrue in original Bloodlines was kind of a watered down version of their real weakness. The PnP version of the curse isn't just that they can't feed from animals, it's that Ventrue can only feed from a specific type of people (vampires are exempt). Very specific types of people, like the examples given over the various editions are Only Virgin Women, Only Senators, Only Younger Sisters, Only Young Men, Only the Swiss, Only Nude Children (wat).

travel to Switzerland, problem solved!

 

[Delterius]

Only the Swiss

that explains why young swiss mercenaries were always in high demand

 

[Cael]

What kind of idiot sets somebody on fire in her own office? of Ventrue

The same kind of an idiot that gets an office with a full glass window for a wall in a high building, to make sure the sun is always shining on their undead corpse.

In other words: sjws and soiheads?

What do switchjews and cyberpunks have to do with it CEO-vampire making a bad real estate call?

The low IQ and unutterable stupidity is quite similar. And I am talking not of the character but the NPC who created it.

 

[Vincente]

Very specific types of people, like the examples given over the various editions are Only Virgin Women, Only Senators, Only Younger Sisters, Only Young Men, Only the Swiss, Only Nude Children

Don't forget Only Rape Victims, but I think a curse this extreme would be very unfun for vidya. Imagine if you could only feed from a one model of NPC, others made you vomit. You would have to search the hub till you found that specific NPC model.

 

[Delterius]

Very specific types of people, like the examples given over the various editions are Only Virgin Women, Only Senators, Only Younger Sisters, Only Young Men, Only the Swiss, Only Nude Children

Don't forget Only Rape Victims, but I think a curse this extreme would be very unfun for vidya. Imagine if you could only feed from a one model of NPC, others made you vomit. You would have to search the hub till you found that specific NPC model.

i dunno, having a tutorial section where your sire teaches you about how all rape victims wear purple would be pretty funny

 

[JBro]

Bloodlines 3

NO

It's stressful enough that they're making a sequel. I don't want them making it with yet another in mind.

 

[Wesp5]

Well the weakness for Ventrue in original Bloodlines was kind of a watered down version of their real weakness. The PnP version of the curse isn't just that they can't feed from animals, it's that Ventrue can only feed from a specific type of people...

Florian explains this in the video and their current solution seems to be connected to their Blood Resonance feature.

I'll still put highest odds to Gangrel just because it's the last full basic (the only thing I suppose might be a question mark here is if they figure the Gangrel clan curse is too much work or it's not worth it to just sidestep it).

Gangrel does not fit to that corridor screenshot, so in my opinion it's either Nosferatu or Malkavian. Some sneaking?

 

[Latro]

Only Nude Children (wat).

as if you need proof white wolf is degenerate

 

[frajaq]

- Firearms do not break, but the player will throw them away if they run out of ammo.

Ok the Bloodlines 2 protag is canon retarded, that's good to know

 

[Lambach]

as if you need proof white wolf is degenerate

That's not WW, though, the Ventrue weakness is left to the player and the Storyteller to hash out between themselves. The guiding principle, though, is for the restriction to be such that it's very specific and that Ventrue's potential victims are not easy to find and acquire, because otherwise it wouldn't be much of a weakness.

 

[Prime Junta]

I wonder how many played Gangrel in B1? The pose of the character model in character creation is off-putting.

 

[Orma]

We don't have a live stream session today due to Florian not being available. But don't worry, you can find a pre-recorded version below.

 

[Lambach]

I wonder how many played Gangrel in B1? The pose of the character model in character creation is off-putting.

Gangrel was my first playthrough, that's the Clan I got after going through the quiz. I thought the appearance and posture were pretty cool, but I was 12 at the time, so that probably explains it.

 

[JBro]

We don't have a live stream session today due to Florian not being available. But don't worry, you can find a pre-recorded version below.

LOOK AT HIS HEAD

 

[Berekän]

He's channeling his inner Tzimisce

 

[whydoibother]

>Unlisted
I'm on to you.

 

[Zombra]

- Firearms do not break, but the player will throw them away if they run out of ammo.

Ok the Bloodlines 2 protag is canon retarded, that's good to know

Strongly disagree. This is a great decision. Vampires shouldn't be like the marines, married to their rifle, carefully oiling and maintaining it like part of their body. To a being with the power of a vampire a gun is a weapon of sheer convenience, like picking up a bottle to bust a guy's face in a bar fight. You're not going to take the bottle home with you, pack it in a holster and keep it in your munitions cabinet.

 

[PulsatingBrain]

So then gentlemen, place your bets.
Nos or Malk for the final spot?

My gut says Malk, but I can imagine them shying away from mental health issues so as not to offend. I hope it's Malk though

 

[whydoibother]

- Firearms do not break, but the player will throw them away if they run out of ammo.

Ok the Bloodlines 2 protag is canon retarded, that's good to know

Strongly disagree. This is a great decision. Vampires shouldn't be like the marines, married to their rifle, carefully oiling and maintaining it like part of their body. To a being with the power of a vampire a gun is a weapon of sheer convenience, like picking up a bottle to bust a guy's face in a bar fight. You're not going to take the bottle home with you, pack it in a holster and keep it in your munitions cabinet.

Good gameplay mechanic, and I am happy for it, but its a bad narrative mechanic. Anyways, I can tolerate it, if it ensures I play as vampire more often than as gunslinger throughout the game without intentionally crippling myself.

 

[Berekän]

So then gentlemen, place your bets.
Nos or Malk for the final spot?

Another one for Malkavian, it was one of the most iconic things in VTMB so they probably want to market it in the sequel as well. They can add Nosferatu later and market it as a harder alternate playthrough.

 

[Vaarna_Aarne]

- Firearms do not break, but the player will throw them away if they run out of ammo.

Ok the Bloodlines 2 protag is canon retarded, that's good to know

Strongly disagree. This is a great decision. Vampires shouldn't be like the marines, married to their rifle, carefully oiling and maintaining it like part of their body. To a being with the power of a vampire a gun is a weapon of sheer convenience, like picking up a bottle to bust a guy's face in a bar fight. You're not going to take the bottle home with you, pack it in a holster and keep it in your munitions cabinet.

Good gameplay mechanic, and I am happy for it, but its a bad narrative mechanic. Anyways, I can tolerate it, if it ensures I play as vampire more often than as gunslinger throughout the game without intentionally crippling myself.

If you're trying to avoid detection, carrying multiple large caliber pistols, an assault rifle, a police sniper rifle, an automatic shotgun, and several katanas is not exactly a way of blending in. That is, if you don't handwave all of those guns with just their storage being a gameism. Similarly we have to keep in mind that if we apply real considerations into it, even concealed firearms are simply a way to cause more attention to you, since the first rule for vampires when it comes to dealing with cops is don't. Because that concealed carry license isn't going to be legit, just like your fake ID. In V5 present day this is even more important than ever before since fuck ups in the age of cellphone cameras did happen and now fuck ups get you dead once the CIA spooks come after you. Narratively it makes the most sense that a vampire would only use something as loud and ineffective for them (since it bears repeating since B1 didn't really represent it much, vampires are prepostrously resilient against bullets) that's also basically a ticket to a Masquerade violation waiting to happen, is when it's conveniently lying right there and shots have been fired already so why not. Unlike what Jack claimed, there is no reason for a vampire to get a piece or care about one.

It's also actually a fairly cool thing if a character fights using what's around them rather at any given moment rather than just carrying an arsenal.

 

[Cross]

- Firearms do not break, but the player will throw them away if they run out of ammo.

Ok the Bloodlines 2 protag is canon retarded, that's good to know

Strongly disagree. This is a great decision. Vampires shouldn't be like the marines, married to their rifle, carefully oiling and maintaining it like part of their body. To a being with the power of a vampire a gun is a weapon of sheer convenience, like picking up a bottle to bust a guy's face in a bar fight. You're not going to take the bottle home with you, pack it in a holster and keep it in your munitions cabinet.

It's an RPG, or at least, it's supposed to be one. The player should be able to do something as basic as carry a gun with them.

Besides, there are plenty of situations where carrying a gun would be preferable to using vampire powers that violate the Masquerade.

Like with the arbitrary limit on active Disciplines, it just sounds like an excuse to simplify gameplay.