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[rusty_shackleford]

You're arguing my point tho

I am arguing my original point. You seem to be arguing against a strawman, though.

Are you really too stupid to understand that "cultural marxist propaganda" is inherently implied in "mainstream AAA studio" in the context of a game developed in the 10s? And why are you still pretending that video games didn't undergo a massive shift in the mid-zeroes in order to pozz, casualize and dumb them down? Retard, disingenuous edgelord, or both?

cope

 

[Skinwalker]

You're arguing my point tho

I am arguing my original point. You seem to be arguing against a strawman, though.

Are you really too stupid to understand that "cultural marxist propaganda" is inherently implied in "mainstream AAA studio" in the context of a game developed in the 10s? And why are you still pretending that video games didn't undergo a massive shift in the mid-zeroes in order to pozz, casualize and dumb them down? Retard, disingenuous edgelord, or both?

I'm out of arguments.

Your unconditional surrender is accepted. Learn some reading comprehension skills.

 

[BruceVC]

You're arguing my point tho

I am arguing my original point. You seem to be arguing against a strawman, though.

Are you really too stupid to understand that "cultural marxist propaganda" is inherently implied in "mainstream AAA studio" in the context of a game developed in the 10s? And why are you still pretending that video games didn't undergo a massive shift in the mid-zeroes in order to pozz, casualize and dumb them down? Retard, disingenuous edgelord, or both?

Do you mind giving an example where an AAA studio has created a game that is about " cultural marxist propaganda" and also how the narrative or theme in a game can somehow influence us in a meaningful way in RL?
I absolutely reject Marxist propaganda and their are several examples I am aware of in all our countries in our political realities where I see this but I just dont see it in gaming?

 

[Wunderbar]

You're arguing my point tho

I am arguing my original point. You seem to be arguing against a strawman, though.

Are you really too stupid to understand that "cultural marxist propaganda" is inherently implied in "mainstream AAA studio" in the context of a game developed in the 10s? And why are you still pretending that video games didn't undergo a massive shift in the mid-zeroes in order to pozz, casualize and dumb them down? Retard, disingenuous edgelord, or both?

Do you mind giving an example where an AAA studio has created a game that is about " cultural marxist propaganda" and also how the narrative or theme in a game can somehow influence this in a meaningful way in RL?
I absolutely reject Marxist propaganda and their are several examples I am aware of in all our countries in our political realities where I see this but I just dont see it in gaming?

Disco Elysium

 

[Wunderbar]

wait a minute, you are right. DIsco Elysium doesn't count, because it's not a real game.

 

[Nano]

It's another episode of "codex pretends the video game industry didn't exist in the late 90s and it was all just a bunch of people working in their garage"

Eidos was one of the biggest video game publishers that existed(and the largest one in Europe) when Deus Ex was released.

So what? Publishers aren't the ones developing games, developers are.

KotOR 2 was a highly marketed multi-platform game from the mid-2000s, but in reality it was developed by like 20 people in Feargus's attic. That kind of shit doesn't happen nowadays.

 

[Ninjerk]

 

[BruceVC]

wait a minute, you are right. DIsco Elysium doesn't count, because it's not a real game.

Funny you mention Disco because thats the only game I can think of that brings up Communism\socialism\marxism in the narrative in a way that is really part of the game but even then all the themes in Disco are parody and mostly done in a humorous way

I just dont think games can really influence us ideologically in the same was as some left wing political movement in any country can ?

 

[Nano]

I just dont think games can really influence us ideologically in the same was as some left wing political movement in any country can ?

Of course they wouldn't have that effect on you, grandpa. For kids it's a different matter.

 

[BruceVC]

I just dont think games can really influence us ideologically in the same was as some left wing political movement in any country can ?

Of course they wouldn't have that effect on you, grandpa. For kids it's a different matter.

Yeah its good to know being as old as me has its advantages that you youngsters dont have

 

[Lyric Suite]

I just dont think games can really influence us ideologically in the same was as some left wing political movement in any country can ?

Of course they wouldn't have that effect on you, grandpa. For kids it's a different matter.

Yeah its good to know being as old as me has its advantages that you youngsters dont have

What advantages? You are a product of brainwashing in media as much as any kids are today, you were just exposed to a different medium than them.

And this works on both sides of the spectrum. It would be a lie if i said Robert E. Howard didn't influence my receptivity to racial theories once i encountered the real thing.

 

[Lyric Suite]

wait a minute, you are right. DIsco Elysium doesn't count, because it's not a real game.

Funny you mention Disco because thats the only game I can think of that brings up Communism\socialism\marxism in the narrative in a way that is really part of the game but even then all the themes in Disco are parody and mostly done in a humorous way

I just dont think games can really influence us ideologically in the same was as some left wing political movement in any country can ?

I have yet to play Disco but it is important to point out theoretical Marxism is not the same thing as wokenism. They may both fall from the same tree but they are not the same thing any more than a Christian theologian and an inquisitor are the same thing.

 

[Lyric Suite]

I guess a more apt analogy than the inqusition would have been which hunt trials.

 

[Roguey]

So what? Publishers aren't the ones developing games, developers are.

KotOR 2 was a highly marketed multi-platform game from the mid-2000s, but in reality it was developed by like 20 people in Feargus's attic. That kind of shit doesn't happen nowadays.

Slam dunk sequel to something that cost substantially more.

Though Deus Ex actually was closer to a kotor 2-sized team, they had more time though.

Number of Full-Time Developers: Approx. 20: 1 of me, 3 programmers, 6 designers, 7 artists, 1 writer, 1 associate producer, 1 tech

Number of Contractors: Approx. 6: 2 writers, 4 testers

Development Time: 6 months of preproduction and 28 months of production

Release Date: June 23, 2000

Target Platform: Windows 95/98/NT/2000 plus third-party Macintosh and Linux ports

Critical Development Hardware: Ranged from dual Pentium Pro 200s with 8GB hard drives, to Athlon 800s with 9GB fast SCSI, and everything in between. More than 100 video cards were cycled through during development.

Software Used: Visual Studio, Lightwave, Lotus Notes

Notable Technologies: Unreal engine and associated tools such as UnrealEd and ConEdit (our proprietary conversation editor)

 

[Skinwalker]

You're arguing my point tho

I am arguing my original point. You seem to be arguing against a strawman, though.

Are you really too stupid to understand that "cultural marxist propaganda" is inherently implied in "mainstream AAA studio" in the context of a game developed in the 10s? And why are you still pretending that video games didn't undergo a massive shift in the mid-zeroes in order to pozz, casualize and dumb them down? Retard, disingenuous edgelord, or both?

Do you mind giving an example where an AAA studio has created a game that is about " cultural marxist propaganda" and also how the narrative or theme in a game can somehow influence us in a meaningful way in RL?
I absolutely reject Marxist propaganda and their are several examples I am aware of in all our countries in our political realities where I see this but I just dont see it in gaming?

You don't see stronk womynz, dieversity, depowered and vilified straight white male, marginalization of tradition, and a whole host of sexual degeneracy and mental illness in current_year video games?

Hello, have you come seeking the wrath of the cringefinder?

P. S. Note to imbeciles without reading comprehension: no, I am not saying that cringefinder necessarily ticks every single one of those boxes without exception. No, I am not saying there are no other current_year AAA games that are full of current_year idpol. No, I am not saying whatever imaginary garbage you have left over in your brain from arguments with different people.

 

[Lyric Suite]

Quintessential examples of wokenism:




Yes, it may not seem so at first value, but anyone perceptive enough will see how THE NARRATIVE is informing both of those cinematics. The first is basically a third wave feminist power fantasy and the second is revenge porn against "white supremacists".

On the other hand, this is Marxism:

 

[Lyric Suite]

You're arguing my point tho

I am arguing my original point. You seem to be arguing against a strawman, though.

Are you really too stupid to understand that "cultural marxist propaganda" is inherently implied in "mainstream AAA studio" in the context of a game developed in the 10s? And why are you still pretending that video games didn't undergo a massive shift in the mid-zeroes in order to pozz, casualize and dumb them down? Retard, disingenuous edgelord, or both?

Do you mind giving an example where an AAA studio has created a game that is about " cultural marxist propaganda" and also how the narrative or theme in a game can somehow influence us in a meaningful way in RL?
I absolutely reject Marxist propaganda and their are several examples I am aware of in all our countries in our political realities where I see this but I just dont see it in gaming?

You don't see stronk womynz, dieversity, depowered and vilified straight white male, marginalization of tradition, and a whole host of sexual degeneracy and mental illness in current_year video games?

Hello, have you come seeking the wrath of the cringefinder?

P. S. Note to imbeciles without reading comprehension: no, I am not saying that cringefinder necessarily ticks every single one of those boxes without exception. No, I am not saying there are no other current_year AAA games that are full of current_year idpol. No, I am not saying whatever imaginary garbage you have left over in your brain from arguments with different people.

 

[BruceVC]

You're arguing my point tho

I am arguing my original point. You seem to be arguing against a strawman, though.

Are you really too stupid to understand that "cultural marxist propaganda" is inherently implied in "mainstream AAA studio" in the context of a game developed in the 10s? And why are you still pretending that video games didn't undergo a massive shift in the mid-zeroes in order to pozz, casualize and dumb them down? Retard, disingenuous edgelord, or both?

Do you mind giving an example where an AAA studio has created a game that is about " cultural marxist propaganda" and also how the narrative or theme in a game can somehow influence us in a meaningful way in RL?
I absolutely reject Marxist propaganda and their are several examples I am aware of in all our countries in our political realities where I see this but I just dont see it in gaming?

You don't see stronk womynz, dieversity, depowered and vilified straight white male, marginalization of tradition, and a whole host of sexual degeneracy and mental illness in current_year video games?

Hello, have you come seeking the wrath of the cringefinder?

P. S. Note to imbeciles without reading comprehension: no, I am not saying that cringefinder necessarily ticks every single one of those boxes without exception. No, I am not saying there are no other current_year AAA games that are full of current_year idpol. No, I am not saying whatever imaginary garbage you have left over in your brain from arguments with different people.

Im still not convinced that themes\tropes in any game have the same influence as themes\tropes in RL

Wokenism and SJWism are absolutely real and can be very annoying but for me I dont look to any game for ideological guidance or play games and allow the themes to influence me. My lived experience in RL defines that and the political realities of the world matter to me

For example I remember in Metro I fought Nazi and Communist aligned factions and it made no difference to my rejection of these ideological views in RL... I always separate these things. I haven't played Pathfinder yet but I plan to , its another exciting game I want to play on my long list of unplayed Steam and GOG games

And I have no issue with diversity in games, I encourage it but I dont want to see diversity at the expense of my own demographic which is a straight, white male. And another example of this is if I think of optional Romance in Bioware games I am fine with their endeavors at inclusivity because as long as I can Romance the likes of Viconia, Morganna and Isabella I am happy

So in closing, games are about fun and I dont take their ideological views too seriously which is why I am not concerned with the notion of " cultural marxist propaganda " or its implementation in any game

 

[deuxhero]

I bet Paradox wishes they just made a Prince simulator.

 

[Caim]

I bet Paradox wishes they just made a Prince simulator.

I know what you mean but you gotta admit that the TAFKAP symbol looks like one of those faction ankhs from Vampire:

 

[Napalm]

Do you mind giving an example where an AAA studio has created a game that is about " cultural marxist propaganda" and also how the narrative or theme in a game can somehow influence this in a meaningful way in RL?
I absolutely reject Marxist propaganda and their are several examples I am aware of in all our countries in our political realities where I see this but I just dont see it in gaming?

Disco Elysium

I know that terms can be somewhat ambiguous, but describing those Estonian leftists behind Disco Elysium as an "AAA studio" would be still stretching it.

 

[Caim]

Do you mind giving an example where an AAA studio has created a game that is about " cultural marxist propaganda" and also how the narrative or theme in a game can somehow influence this in a meaningful way in RL?
I absolutely reject Marxist propaganda and their are several examples I am aware of in all our countries in our political realities where I see this but I just dont see it in gaming?

Disco Elysium

I know that terms can be somewhat ambiguous, but describing those Estonian leftists behind Disco Elysium as an "AAA studio" would be still stretching it.

By Estonian standards they probably are.

 

[Napalm]

By Estonian standards they probably are.

Probably, but that's like being an oligarch in Hobbiton. You may feel really important, but for the rest of the world you are simply a guy living in a slightly larger hole than other hobbits.

 

[Harthwain]

Do you mind giving an example where an AAA studio has created a game that is about " cultural marxist propaganda" and also how the narrative or theme in a game can somehow influence this in a meaningful way in RL?
I absolutely reject Marxist propaganda and their are several examples I am aware of in all our countries in our political realities where I see this but I just dont see it in gaming?

Disco Elysium

I know that terms can be somewhat ambiguous, but describing those Estonian leftists behind Disco Elysium as an "AAA studio" would be still stretching it.

Also, I wouldn't call it "Marxist propaganda". The way I see it ZA/UM is mocking Communism, which they see as the failed practical implementation of Marxism. This way the treatment of the communist ideology in Disco Elysium while at the same time developers gave their thanks to Karl Marx makes sense. Somebody will probably say it's just a detail, because Communism and Marxism are more or less the same package, but in this particular case calling Disco Elysium Communist/Marxist propaganda is simply not true, because it ain't portrayed as such.

 

[Tyranicon]

Steam page got approved, but realized I had some other things to finalize, so I'll just post this here. Happy New Year's!

https://rpgcodex.net/forums/threads...nfall-isometric-cyberpunk-vampire-rpg.141452/