Grand Strategy Victoria 3

[Tyrr]

Vic3 was just the latest example that Paradox can no longer make good, or even mediocre games.
The market for grand strategy games isn't that big to support many different game companies. So things can only get better if Paradox goes away to make room for somebody else.

But that will take some time. Short term I would be happy if just the people responsible for Vic3 got fired and never be able to work on games again.

 

[Sarathiour]

The chances of that happening is on par with you reforming yourself and start making better post : null.

The chance of me being immortal emperor of the universe is also low, but I do dream about it. At least in my dreams I am great. Why are you lame and defeated even in your dreams? Why don't you dream of good video games, but instead dream of developers dying? Spiteful, bitter, defeated.

I don't need to make delusions about paradox crashing and burning, because it's happening in the real life, not in dreamlands.
And they deserved it.

 

[whydoibother]

The chances of that happening is on par with you reforming yourself and start making better post : null.

The chance of me being immortal emperor of the universe is also low, but I do dream about it. At least in my dreams I am great. Why are you lame and defeated even in your dreams? Why don't you dream of good video games, but instead dream of developers dying? Spiteful, bitter, defeated.

I don't need to make delusions about paradox crashing and burning, because it's happening in the real life, not in dreamlands.
And they deserved it.

Hecking cool and valid, my dude, but why celebrate it? People here celebrating decline. Hoping for decline, so they can celebrate it. Hoping for bad video games, and celebrating bad video games. That's dumb.

 

[Delterius]

I don't need to make delusions about paradox crashing and burning, because it's happening in the real life, not in dreamlands.
And they deserved it.

what a novel concept which requires the non existence of crusader kings 3, hearts of iron 4, stellaris, and europa universalis anything

 

[Mortmal]

The chances of that happening is on par with you reforming yourself and start making better post : null.

The chance of me being immortal emperor of the universe is also low, but I do dream about it. At least in my dreams I am great. Why are you lame and defeated even in your dreams? Why don't you dream of good video games, but instead dream of developers dying? Spiteful, bitter, defeated.

I don't need to make delusions about paradox crashing and burning, because it's happening in the real life, not in dreamlands.
And they deserved it.

Hecking cool and valid, my dude, but why celebrate it? People here celebrating decline. Hoping for decline, so they can celebrate it. Hoping for bad video games, and celebrating bad video games. That's dumb.

I think its more like people knew there was not much to expect from paradox anymore, i tried CK3 on gamepass, not getting it nor any dlc , stellaris i would get their dlc only heavily discounted , victoria 3 , not even bothering anymore either and i dont even have money trouble. In overall the gaming industry is already not catering to grognards like us , but now you can see its not even pleasing anyone at all. Mostly negative reviews so its crashing and burning, thats what people celebrate , a company not catering to us anymore but failing to mainstream too, not celebrating the production of bad games. Sort of a pleasurable " i told you so".
People wishing for a 80's style video game market crash.

 

[Seigneur Locklear]

Anyone who is sensible in his mind, has dropped the hopium back when the leaks happened. Those who haven't, have instead conveniently scurried back into their rat holes and even they are ashamed of shilling the game at this point. The game's been a burning disaster since its conception, most likely. It's about seeing how reality is and appreciating the absurd and humorous side of it (like the fact they hired a literal schizo discord troon to work on the game). Copiums and hopiums are for the dumb and the weak but most of all - deluded.

 

[Axioms]

I mean CK3 j

I don't need to make delusions about paradox crashing and burning, because it's happening in the real life, not in dreamlands.
And they deserved it.

what a novel concept which requires the non existence of crusader kings 3, hearts of iron 4, stellaris, and europa universalis anything

I mean just recovered from a big slump and EU4 is going strong but CK3 is a shit game.

 

[HeroMarine]

Finally our long strategy gaming nightmare is over!

 

[HeroMarine]

Hecking cool and valid, my dude

 

[None]

Why? Wouldn't you rather they reform, and start producing better games?

I've been waiting for at least half a decade for this to happen. It hasn't and I don't expect it to at the rate things have been going. The next best outcome is that their failure creates room for others.

 

[Delterius]

but CK3 is a shit game.

so is skyrim

 

[HeroMarine]

Their last good game was HOI4 and only because of the mods. CK3 is a disgrace. This one, the less said the better.

 

[Axioms]

but CK3 is a shit game.

so is skyrim

True.

 

[Sarathiour]

I don't need to make delusions about paradox crashing and burning, because it's happening in the real life, not in dreamlands.
And they deserved it.

what a novel concept which requires the non existence of crusader kings 3, hearts of iron 4, stellaris, and europa universalis anything

You forgot to add bloodlines 2 to this prestigious list. Following the bulgar example, the one I imagine in my dream is also a map painting simulator, except it's with vampire instead.

 

[Delterius]

the one I imagine in my dream is also a map painting simulator, except it's with vampire instead.

theres the ck2/ck3 mod

 

[Fedora Master]

I don't even care if someone picks up the slack - the people who are most likely to do so are literal tranny modders after all - I just wanna see the fags at PDX punished for their incompetence.

 

[Frumentum]

Their last good game was HOI4 and only because of the mods. CK3 is a disgrace. This one, the less said the better.

HOI4 is popular, but at the cost that they dumbed down the game for mass appeal. This trend has kept on going and has been fucking up their games since.

 

[NandoGando]

Are there any other economic grand strategy games for Victoria 3 to really take inspiration from? Seems like this is pretty small niche populated almost solely by the Victoria series, every other grand strategy game focuses more on combat. How are they suppose to consistently improve on the genre when they're the only ones breaking new ground?

 

[Catacombs]

Are there any other economic grand strategy games for Victoria 3 to really take inspiration from?

Victoria II

 

[Malakal]

Are there any other economic grand strategy games for Victoria 3 to really take inspiration from?

Victoria II

V2, despite all the years and work, still does not have a working economy system its kept afloat by cheating. Also bugged to hell. Wouldn't call it a good inspiration.

 

[NandoGando]

Are there any other economic grand strategy games for Victoria 3 to really take inspiration from?

Victoria II

V2, despite all the years and work, still does not have a working economy system its kept afloat by cheating. Also bugged to hell. Wouldn't call it a good inspiration.

Exactly this, this reddit thread really elaborates on why Victoria 2's technical problems are greater than just a lack of liquidity https://www.reddit.com/r/victoria2/comments/w00wdy/the_main_issue_plaguing_victoria_2s_economy_isnt/

 

[Axioms]

Are there any other economic grand strategy games for Victoria 3 to really take inspiration from? Seems like this is pretty small niche populated almost solely by the Victoria series, every other grand strategy game focuses more on combat. How are they suppose to consistently improve on the genre when they're the only ones breaking new ground?

Well Grey Eminence just got paused. Gilded Destiny is still going I guess? Neither is released but no reason Paradox couldn't copy stuff from dev logs.

As far as V2 I'll say the same thing I said on the steam forums for V3. V2 had a couple mechanics I prefer over V3, not counting military stuff, but it doesn't have anything game changing that would be worth copying. And core systems have major issues. If they did copy anything they'd have to fix all the problems, which isn't the same as ripping off a functioning mechanic or system that is really good from another game.

 

[what am i doing]

Are there any other economic grand strategy games for Victoria 3 to really take inspiration from?

Victoria II

V2, despite all the years and work, still does not have a working economy system its kept afloat by cheating. Also bugged to hell. Wouldn't call it a good inspiration.

V2 was made in about a year, and the expansions didn't change anything fundamental about the economy. What modders can do is limited. So I wouldn't say that makes it a bad inspiration, it's a lot of good ideas and a decent prototype and something that should have been built on.
Of course, modders haven't been able to fix it, they don't have access to the source code. So saying, well, this mod couldn't fix it or that mod couldn't fix it is utterly meaningless.

Bad implementation != bad idea.

 

[Fedora Master]

Vic2 is still better than 3.

 

[Malakal]

Are there any other economic grand strategy games for Victoria 3 to really take inspiration from?

Victoria II

V2, despite all the years and work, still does not have a working economy system its kept afloat by cheating. Also bugged to hell. Wouldn't call it a good inspiration.

V2 was made in about a year, and the expansions didn't change anything fundamental about the economy. What modders can do is limited. So I wouldn't say that makes it a bad inspiration, it's a lot of good ideas and a decent prototype and something that should have been built on.
Of course, modders haven't been able to fix it, they don't have access to the source code. So saying, well, this mod couldn't fix it or that mod couldn't fix it is utterly meaningless.

Bad implementation != bad idea.

Vic2 economy fundamentally does not work and it never worked, thats my issue tho. Its not even a good idea that wasn't implemented, its a bad idea with magic global market buying goods from producers.

The only good thing Victoria series had was population being represented, growing and dying and working in farms and factories to produce actual goods for the economy, the rest is not implemented.