Star Wars Was KOTOR even worth a play?

[Falksi]

Plague is a pretty good force power.
No save allowed (actually I think it's a 100 difficulty in the combat log!).
You doing Kotor 2 next?

Yep. Gonna do a bit of dumb blasting on the Saboteur to cleanse the pallet, then on to KOTOR 2. Might roll my character up tonight in fact.

 

[Baron Tahn]

Damn now I want to do another playthrough of the KotORs. Wonder if my old Cds still work, cbf buying it again

 

[BosanskiSeljak]

I can't remember why I was struggling with Malak but was struggling to hit him, so I ran around stopping those Vats then spammed him with every grenade in the entire game because I was hoarding them. Completely melted him.

 

[Bibbimbop]

The end boss fight was ace, and really reflected on how shite the Arishock fight in DA:2 was by comparison. @NecroLord I didn't have any trouble hitting Malak, it's all about using Force Breach, but....even though I beat him at my first attempt...I did have to be very much on my toes to do that, Force Breaching the trapped Jedi, buffing and rebuffing in-between, and wearing him down with Plague and attacks. It made for a very interesting battle, and probably the best tactical 1-Vs-1 battle I can think of at the mo tbh.

I force choked Malak. The end boss fight took me five seconds to win.

 

[Falksi]

The end boss fight was ace, and really reflected on how shite the Arishock fight in DA:2 was by comparison. @NecroLord I didn't have any trouble hitting Malak, it's all about using Force Breach, but....even though I beat him at my first attempt...I did have to be very much on my toes to do that, Force Breaching the trapped Jedi, buffing and rebuffing in-between, and wearing him down with Plague and attacks. It made for a very interesting battle, and probably the best tactical 1-Vs-1 battle I can think of at the mo tbh.

I force choked Malak. The end boss fight took me five seconds to win.

Damn, you literally used the force to get the game to bypass his regeneration stages.

Impressive. Most impressive.

 

[NecroLord]

The end boss fight was ace, and really reflected on how shite the Arishock fight in DA:2 was by comparison. @NecroLord I didn't have any trouble hitting Malak, it's all about using Force Breach, but....even though I beat him at my first attempt...I did have to be very much on my toes to do that, Force Breaching the trapped Jedi, buffing and rebuffing in-between, and wearing him down with Plague and attacks. It made for a very interesting battle, and probably the best tactical 1-Vs-1 battle I can think of at the mo tbh.

I force choked Malak. The end boss fight took me five seconds to win.

Damn, you literally used the force to get the game to bypass his regeneration stages.

Impressive. Most impressive.

Malak has a really high Fortitude save.
Probably Bibbi played a Consular with astronomically high Wisdom and Charisma.
I know it can be done. You might have to try it a few times though...

 

[Bibbimbop]

I also didn't level up on Taras, so I was rocking 18 levels of Consular. I force waved effortlessly through a large part of the game, too. Fun build.

 

[Saldrone]

I also didn't level up on Taras, so I was rocking 18 levels of Consular. I force waved effortlessly through a large part of the game, too. Fun build.

That strategy i've heard about saving levels on Taris sounds pretty unorthodox and gimmicky through, what about the duel against Bendak Starkiller being underleveled?

 

[NecroLord]

I also didn't level up on Taras, so I was rocking 18 levels of Consular. I force waved effortlessly through a large part of the game, too. Fun build.

That strategy i've heard about saving levels on Taris sounds pretty unorthodox and gimmicky through, what about the duel against Bendak Starkiller being underleveled?

Even if you are max level for Taris (typically level 8) that fight is still pretty nasty. Dodging his plasma grenades and using some of your own against him (you can find some plasma grenades in the Vulkar Base) seems to be a reliable strategy.
Going in melee is not recommended. He hits really hard and has Master Power Attack, I think.
Saving levels is an optimal strategy and pays serious dividends later in the campaign. You really don't need all those bonus feats and more skills, but you do need Force Powers, because those are really strong.

 

[luj1]

Both KotORs are fine compared to post-modern mediocrities (DOS/PF/PoE)

 

[Storyfag]

I also didn't level up on Taras, so I was rocking 18 levels of Consular. I force waved effortlessly through a large part of the game, too. Fun build.

That strategy i've heard about saving levels on Taris sounds pretty unorthodox and gimmicky through, what about the duel against Bendak Starkiller being underleveled?

Grenades. Then more grenades.

 

[Beans00]

Both kotor's are ok games, especially if you like star wars(I don't). Both suffer from very uneven quality between planets though. Not a fan of the combat system but it's not actively bad either.

In kotor 1

prologue is so short its not worth mentioning
Taris is fine
Dantooine sucks
Tatooine is pretty good
kashyk is dogshit
manaan is pretty good
Korriban is mediocre
leviathan sucks
unknown world is mediocre
star forge is dogshit

Kotor 2

peragus is dogshit
telos is really good
dxun/onderon is pretty good
nar shaddaa is dogshit
dantooine is mediocre
Korriban is mediocre
I would say most of the end game is pretty dogshit, although nothing that irritated me as much as the star forge.


Both are ok games, definitely worth playing if you like star wars or sci fi. I don't think you'd miss anything super essential by skipping them though.

 

[Hace El Oso]

KOTOR 1&2 are solid, fun B-movies. The loss of the B-movie has been a tragedy.

 

[KeAShizuku]

KOTOR3 turning out to be an MMO was my biggest gaming disappointment's ever. Fuck world of warcraft.

 

[NecroLord]

Pretty cool cinematic trailers.
But then you get to the gameplay and the game itself, right?...

 

[Storyfag]

Pretty cool cinematic trailers.
But then you get to the gameplay and the game itself, right?...

The class stories were not bad.

 

[Bulo]

The first game is retroactively improved by the second. Shame about the third

 

[Bibbimbop]

I also didn't level up on Taras, so I was rocking 18 levels of Consular.

That strategy i've heard about saving levels on Taris sounds pretty unorthodox and gimmicky through, what about the duel against Bendak Starkiller being underleveled?

I don't remember details on Bendak Starkiller because it was probably 14 years ago, but I must have done it. Grenades, it is, I suppose.

KOTOR 1&2 are solid, fun B-movies. The loss of the B-movie has been a tragedy.

That's appropriate, considering the setting. Star Wars itself was a solid, fun B-movie when it came out. Although it ambitiously explored a lot of other letters with each new sequel, like a version of Star Trek inside a can of alphabet soup.

 

[Falksi]

peragus is dogshit

I've had a few hours with KOTOR 2 past few days, and can definitely agree with this.

Bioware really dropped the ball with the general game structure here, as the amount of time spent interacting with computer consoles and also holo projections in this section is just mind-numbing. Being set against the very mundane backdrop of a space mine doesn't help either, they really should have gone for more high-sci-fi dramatic tension and less faff here.

 

[Storyfag]

peragus is dogshit

I've had a few hours with KOTOR 2 past few days, and can definitely agree with this.

Bioware really dropped the ball with the general game structure here

KotOR2 is Obsidian.

 

[Camel]

Even if you are max level for Taris (typically level 8) that fight is still pretty nasty. Dodging his plasma grenades and using some of your own against him (you can find some plasma grenades in the Vulkar Base) seems to be a reliable strategy.
Going in melee is not recommended. He hits really hard and has Master Power Attack, I think.
Saving levels is an optimal strategy and pays serious dividends later in the campaign. You really don't need all those bonus feats and more skills, but you do need Force Powers, because those are really strong.

Right, 2/18 Jedi class is standard for powergaming(?) in KoTOR with hoarding levels on Taris. The game is too easy anyway. I don't even remember one challenging fight, except maybe the Calo Nord encounter when escaping Taris.

 

[Storyfag]

As you note, the game is too easy anyway. Therefore it cannot be considered powergaming. It is just having fun with Force powers.

 

[Max Damage]

If you're a Scoundrel you want to go 7 levels in for sneak attack + AC, only the 8th level is worth delaying.

 

[NecroLord]

If you're a Scoundrel you want to go 7 levels in for sneak attack + AC, only the 8th level is worth delaying.

Last time I played a Scoundrel I stopped at level 5.
3d6 sneak attack is pretty good, but more force powers are better.

 

[Max Damage]

I would prefer more force powers if the interface wasn't such a chore to scroll through them, you can get all the best ones even w/o saving levels anyway.