why do so many people here hate modern games ?

[Kruno]

because modern games like Elden Ring are designed to be played by toddlers and those new to gaming

 

[Nifft Batuff]

 

[samoilaaa]

because modern games like Elden Ring are designed to be played by toddlers and those new to gaming

why are you talking about a game that hasnt been released yet?

 

[Harthwain]

But it's supposed to be a detective game, and there's literally zero detectiving going on. It's basically click click click until the case "solves" itself. I got a fair bit of amusement out of DE, but it's a stretch to call it a "game", it's more like an "experience". It would need at least a few puzzles or some actual detective game mechanics to become an actual game (note I'm not talking about combat at all).

Indeed. I weep each time I see a detective game that isn't about doing any actual detective work at all. Disco's start is promising, but it peters out as it reaches the end. The detective work that you can do is very light. Too light for the kind of game it wants to be. I blame The Critical Path™ and its narrative-driven approach for this.

The Critical Path™ funnels all choices into a single corridor. The most glaring example of this is Deus Ex: Human Revolution. You are literally offered three buttons at the end and the dialogue in the outro changes slightly depending on how many people you killed during your playthrough (hint: the less - the better). Other cRPGs replicate this to some degree. Very few offer the player any actual diverging paths that change the game halfway across it. As a result they player's freedom of choice suffers, because the number of choices has to be contained.

Another part of the problem - and largely tied to the above - is how narrative-driven approach required hand-crafting everything. This means all content has to be hand-made, which eats development time, meaning you can be offered less choices AND all choices are pre-determined by the developers (as opposed to more free-form choices offered by game's inherent systems). But the very idea of your character literally missing clues, because he's blind like a bat (or some other reason) is a solid baseline for a detective game.

 

[Bad Sector]

Being a good [even great!] game is not enough for an official sequel; as any TES fan would doubtless suddenly agree if shown an official TES 6 that mimics Myth:TFL, Diablo 3, or Disciples 3 gameplay.

Well, TES3 is very different from TES1+TES2 and also the best in the series :-P.

Though as i wrote, i haven't played BT4 to judge. I just wanted to make clear that Frayed Knights is a good game regardless of its visuals .

 

[Glop_dweller]

I just wanted to make clear that Frayed Knights is a good game regardless of its visuals .

That's well and good.
But... Being a Frayed Knight's clone is not slighting Frayed Knights, it's slighting BT4 for not being a Bard's Tale clone.
*IE. It has the wrong gameplay for a Bard's Tale sequel.

 

[PorkaMorka]

As far as I know those games all suck, except for Dark Souls, which is not a RPG.

The Codex is actually way too tolerant of bad modern games; most of these games have a lot of defenders here.

There are still a lot of video game addicts here who need a constant flow of new content to consume, these addicts can't be objective about the quality of games, they will rationalize any bad design or degenerate story elements to get their next fix.

It's easier to be objective about games when you no longer need them, because you are old and have burnt out dopamine receptors.

 

[Maxwell's Demon]

why are you talking about a game that hasnt been released yet?

This ain't FromSoftware's first rodeo. Also they appear to be raising a lot of red flags by leaning in to scummy business practices to increase sales this time around.

 

[samoilaaa]

As far as I know those games all suck, except for Dark Souls, which is not a RPG.

The Codex is actually way too tolerant of bad modern games; most of these games have a lot of defenders here.

There are still a lot of video game addicts here who need a constant flow of new content to consume, these addicts can't be objective about the quality of games, they will rationalize any bad design or degenerate story elements to get their next fix.

It's easier to be objective about games when you no longer need them, because you are old and have burnt out dopamine receptors.

just to make an idea what are your top 10 games ( not only rpgs ) in the last 5 years

 

[PorkaMorka]

just to make an idea what are your top 10 games ( not only rpgs ) in the last 5 years

I'm not looking up when these games were made but here's some modern games that I played for the first time within the last 5 years and thought were OK:

I played tons of hours of Battle Brothers, a lot of Rimworld, a lot of Dominions 5, a lot of Thea the Awakening, a lot of Age of Wonders 3. Templar Battleforce was good, Heroes of Steel was ok but I didn't like Star Traders Frontiers.

I actually played way more new games than I did old games, but obviously the new games have some things in common with old games.

 

[JarlFrank]

There are still a lot of video game addicts here who need a constant flow of new content to consume, these addicts can't be objective about the quality of games, they will rationalize any bad design or degenerate story elements to get their next fix.

For my infinite flow of new content I just play Thief, Quake and Tomb Raider community maps

 

[Darth Canoli]

KotC 2, I knew it was going to be great. (Because of KotC and the dev's dedication)
Colony Ship, I know it's going to be great. (Because of Dungeon Rats and the dev team dedication)

Everything else, I just wait and see...

 

[Totktospit]

Why do you think that only modern games take shit here? And don't you notice some trends on explicitly shitting on player? Plus modern games by some reason (money) complely discard pretty good gameplay variants. It is not only RPGs problem, modern shooters for example suck too, the whole genres can be declare dead by this reason. Adventure games, real time strategy games are dead in AAA sector. This is because these genres are not suited for microtransactions. RPGs degradation manifist itself either as CYA style plots and choices with crappy character development system + some weak chalengeless elements from other genres (mainly action) or MMO style grind fests with skinner box mechanics.

 

[Rincewind]

The Critical Path™ funnels all choices into a single corridor. [...] Other cRPGs replicate this to some degree. Very few offer the player any actual diverging paths that change the game halfway across it. As a result they player's freedom of choice suffers, because the number of choices has to be contained.

Age of Decadence!

 

[KeighnMcDeath]

For my infinite flow of new content I just play Thief, Quake and Tomb Raider community maps

Well, if I LARPED then I would find a Lara Croft cosplayer chick. We get a room and I quake her all night and then, I loot her and leave her nude in the hotel room as she sleeps being the THIEF sneaking out of the hotel, erasing security footage and disappearing into the night.

 

[Val the Moofia Boss]

I hate modern AAA Western games.

Ugly aesthetics.
Bad music.
Terrible story and dialogue and unlikeable characters
The same bland UI and perk system
Meh gameplay (usually action games and open world)

Modern Japanese games overall don't appeal to me as much as old Japanese games, but I'll still take the latest Trails or Final Fantasy over the latest Assassin's Creed or Fallout 4 any day. There are a handful of good Western indie games that appeal to me like The Banner Saga but they are few and far between nowadays.

 

[KeighnMcDeath]

I'm probably not giving trails any part of my time. The early ones look ok but the later one look

The same for dragon warrior. It is like you're playing in the DBZ universe or a cartoon. Maybe if GOG had the DW/FF line up I'd snag them. As is, I'll stick to other options.

where FF went a different route

Maybe they all play fantastic, I can't say other than videos and pics atm.

 

[laclongquan]

why do so many people here hate modern games ?

Wrong question, OP.

What you should mean is that why so many people here can be so mean to your beloved games. So openly, so vehemently. Why is this allowed, is what you mean~

And the answer, in a nutshell, is that: Because we can.

Because we can shit on any games we want, provided that we can defend our ideas from provoked posters.

Because there's no safespace here. Laughable idea, safe space, it is~

There is no game safe from criticism around here, i can assure you that~ Modern or not, good or not, 1980s or 2020s.

Just because we can~

 

[KeighnMcDeath]

 

[Bruma Hobo]

I hate modern AAA Western games.

Ugly aesthetics.
Bad music.
Terrible story and dialogue and unlikeable characters
The same bland UI and perk system
Meh gameplay (usually action games and open world)

Modern Japanese games overall don't appeal to me as much as old Japanese games, but I'll still take the latest Trails or Final Fantasy over the latest Assassin's Creed or Fallout 4 any day. There are a handful of good Western indie games that appeal to me like The Banner Saga but they are few and far between nowadays.

Why should anyone care about AAA games though? Seriously, these are made for an audience that didn't even exist 20 years ago, and now thanks to the digital distribution boom we can easily ignore them and play indies and AA games, which in many cases are just as good as the classics.

When people mention modern games, people should think of titles like Divinity: Original Sin or Disco Elysium (which, love them or hate them, are still miles ahead of the latest Bioware or Ubisoft turd), and if that's too mainstream for you, think of Battle Brothers, Kenshi and A Legionary's Life. Modern games are fucking great.

 

[LarryTyphoid]

Maybe part of it is seeing how the "art-form" of video games, if you'll permit me to call it that, degraded so rapidly to the point that every big, mainstream game is just expected to be garbage. Compare that to film, which was pretty great throughout the entire 20th century. Today, we recognize that a popular Hollywood film is going to be some capeshit lowest-common-denominator trash, but the most successful films of all time (when adjusted for inflation) are still Gone with the Wind, Star Wars, Ben-Hur, The Ten Commandments, etc, which are all recognized as fantastic films by just about everyone (except GwtW for muh racism). Imagine if the most successful video game of all time was System Shock or Ultima Underworld or any other game beloved by Codexians.

Then again, this might all just be rose-tinted glasses talking, and people were actually ranting and raving about the decline of film back in the 50s. I think there's always a subset of each generation that wishes things were more like they were decades in the past. I mean, people are already getting nostalgic for 7th gen console stuff and how much SOVL they had. When Venetica was discussed here on the Codex a couple years ago, it got pretty positive reception despite being an extremely casual, console-focused, linear action RPG.

As for me, I don't play new games often, and definitely not any new CRPGs. I just like to complain, because it's fun. I could talk about Dragon Ball FighterZ being pretty good but I doubt anyone on the Codex cares about that game.

 

[monilloman]

I could talk about Dragon Ball FighterZ being pretty good but I doubt anyone on the Codex cares about that game.

It's a trash game with terrible systems and on top of it all, infested with DLCs which makes it even more of an unbalanced mess everytime they release something. It's decline everywhere you look at it from a FG grognard perspective

 

[Casual Hero]

There is still plenty of praise for modern gaming here, you just need to look for it.
I do think that certain elements of this forum (the rating system) lead users down a specific path of what to like and dislike, which is unfortunate, but that is just a reality of social interactions. We tend to go with the flow.

It's also just easier to be brutish online than in real life.

 

[Sykar]

Clarification, it is predominantly so called "AAA" that is shit on by many posters here because the vast majority of it are terribly dumbed down games of insultingly infantile difficulty with atrocious virtue signaling and obnoxiously stupid writing.

 

[gurugeorge]

I agree with a poster above who said that there's actually a decent spread of opinions about most games here (so long as they have some merit to them). You probably just notice the negative opinions more here because it's a very free forum and people are able to rant in a way that they couldn't on most other, more sanitized forums. IOW, it looks like those forums are the norm, whereas actually if they were all as free as this, this glorious ruckus would be the norm.