Why don't indie devs use AI-generated images as art?

[Naveen]

Ai art winning a digital art competition for a piece of concept art is very apt since they are more or less the same. AI is just a really fast photobasher.

 

[Dexter]

Installed SD from the Repo linked in the Guide here: https://rentry.org/GUItard and been fucking around with it a bit too, giving that 3080Ti something to do. Generation of single images is surprisingly quick at around 4-10 seconds per depending on complexity.

After the first few Test attempts of bizarre or relatively hilarious if even somewhat intriguing gens I got some interesting results with simple prompts like "Tower of Babel Cyberpunk Sci-fi Dystopia", "Daniel Dociu Sci-Fi landscape" or "Syd Mead Blade Runner landscape" early on:

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I've got some of the most successful results from trying to combine celebrities that likely had a lot of Training data due to large amounts of current photos Online and distinct faces like Ana de Armas or Scarlett Johannson partly based on this thread along with famous artists with distinct and unique art styles like Luis Royo, Frank Frazetta or Kentaro Miura with their own wide portfolio of art Online that will likely have also served as Training data for the AI (which might be a bit of a problem regarding Copyright/Ownership, because it can essentially create untold new images based on the body of work of a specific artist) and a clear theme like "Fantasy", even though it still fucks up the faces in some minor cases and depending on the person used it's nothing compared to some weaker concepts like trying to combine different objects and typing something like "Woman riding a horse" or similar, in which case it'll prolly fuck up the face, body proportions and how she sits on the horse:

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There also seems to be a lot of Emma Watson stuff out there for some reason:

On the other hand if you try to input more obscure people or artists the AI has likely not stumbled upon during its Training process you'll have more issues getting anything meaningful out of it.

I haven't been able to generate any impressive looking Eldritch abominations (other than the unwanted ones at the beginning) or complicated Aztec design, character art and landscape stuff like some seem to be able to get out of it that I've seen Online with long elaborate prompts and prompt refining/iteration so far though:

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What I haven't played around with yet and almost seems more impressive or powerful is the img2img part of it, people can quickly throw together the most basic and shitty sketch imaginable in MS Paint or on a piece of paper, input it into the tool and along with a prompt of what they want it to be or become get impressive results based on their composition:

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Similarly existing images can quickly be replicated into a (or many) different styles using this:

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Overall it seems like a very impressive and powerful art tool that is only going to get more-so in the coming years as it grows up out of the early stage of infancy and gets more competition if they don't intentionally fuck it up for ideological reasons like some of them are trying to do:

 

[V17]

Overall it seems like a very impressive and powerful art tool that is only going to get more-so in the coming years as it grows up out of the early stage of infancy and gets more competition if they don't intentionally fuck it up for ideological reasons like some are trying to do:

Damn. It's really painful watching that some of these morons actually have jobs in the field. Then I noticed that just like the concerned artists they also use their twitter to beg for money (seriously, so much begging for money) or complain that Midjourney bans the words "voluptuous" and "thicc" and that made it a bit more bearable.

 

[Viata]

You gotta wonder what is worse: being replaced by an AI or an indian.

 

[Dexter]

I did one for fun.

I am so talented.

There were some attempts :

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[dbx]

I did one for fun.

I am so talented.

There were some attempts :

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Considering the tech is basically in its infancy those are quite impressive

 

[Dexter]

Cyberpunk Cityscapes "by" different artists, it's especially amazing at this kind of stuff, since it's easy to randomly generate and it can try to draw the "essence" from some of the artist's styles and apply it to some new concept for some of them, if at all applicable:

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Since this came out relatively well I tried batching some other similar prompts to see the results too, like with "Steampunk". A lot came out alright, others not that much, which would either indicate that it's a weaker keyword or it simply couldn't do much regarding some of the artists chosen given their collective works:

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And "Dieselpunk" with similar, but even weaker results:

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After that I tried something else, a destroyed cityscape during World War 2. Most of the returns were kind of horseshit here, chances are because most of the artists either didn't have any art from a major destructive war or the AI simply didn't find a proper way to incorporate it with only the simple prompt, but a very few came out okay and kind of look like a WW2 game concept art could. Same thing with WW1 for those few artists, but it mostly removed tanks and chose to show the Eiffel Tower in some results instead:

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[Vermillion]

Is it jewish of me to imagine the kinds of Patreon scams that could be born of this? AI makes your art, AI writes your dialogue, AI codes your game. If nothing else, you could curate the results to create the mirage of a quality game in the making. Once you get your whales, you could drip feed content or actually nut up and get some decent talent to finish the thing.
Maybe I just have an exceptionally dim view of others?

 

[Viata]

Just avoid modern stuff, mate. Art is made by AI? No problem, my favorite artists have been dead for centuries. Music is made by AI? no problem, my favorite composers have been dead for centuries. Books are written by AI? No problem, my favorite authors have been dead for centuries. Games are made by AI? No problem, my favorite devs have been dead for years(sadly, ).

 

[J1M]

If anything, I think those people should see this an opportunity. As it has already been said, it's a nice tool to get quick concept and canvas, but often lack in precision and coherence, and still take some time to be fine-tuned. Tracing and copycat using slight variation of already existing image are still an issue in the art industry that will probably never get solved.
A lot of art is already outsourced to second and even third world country, ai training should give back an edge to western artist, because they should have reference, training and computing power not available to the other. Of course, the eternal retard are screeching, because they somehow believed that artist could be a secure and cozy job.

Exactly. Used correctly, this puts a massive premium on an artist that is part of the target culture and a native speaker of whatever language the commissioner uses. The right person with the right setup can replace an outsourced art studio.

The artists complaining on twitter can't see this and refuse to learn new tools.

 

[J1M]

Positive potential I haven't seen anyone discuss yet: this tech could be used for pixel art to create games where it is economically feasible to have large sprites animated at 60 FPS.

 

[Machocruz]

Production artists (specifically those tied to their love of handcraft, unwillingness to use new tools to their advantage) being worried is one thing, but comic artists stressing, and people saying those comic artists will be out of a job in the near future (schadenfreude), are ignorant. Any finished product, no matter who or what it is made by, has to compete in the market place. Concept art is not finished product, it's just a means to an end. But with something like comics, the AI has to compete for audience dollars with, say (I'll use an old example cuz I'm old), Marc Silvestri, and vice versa. Same with that fine art competition. Well either the judges have an agenda to advance human obsolescence - which wouldn't surprise me-, or the competition wasn't strong enough, as that's not a remarkable piece by any means. Now bring back Rubens or Dali from the dead and enter them in the competition, then it would all look like elephant paintings by comparison. And they'd probably be toying with the tech themselves, being forward thinkers in art.

 

[Dexter]

Honestly all this stuff is such a steaming pile of Garbage. I really don't see where any of the supposed advancements are that are not to do with improved computing power/more data. It all looks as bad as its ever been. Technology is not improving.

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Some more on the fantasy side with different modifiers and character classes:

All of these are unmodified first attempts and created within seconds. The AI also easily understands differences in style, you can change it from "lineart" to "crosshatching", "oil painting" or "pencil/ink art" just by changing a keyword and you can change the artist(s) it's inspired by or tries to imitate and what it draws "inspiration" from e.g. Conan, Warhammer, DnD etc. just as easily, found this useful chart:

Something else I was messing around with:

 

[The_Sloth_Sleeps]

Honestly all this stuff is such a steaming pile of Garbage. I really don't see where any of the supposed advancements are that are not to do with improved computing power/more data. It all looks as bad as its ever been. Technology is not improving.

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Some more on the fantasy side with different modifiers and character classes:

All of these are unmodified first attempts and created within seconds. The AI also easily understands differences in style, you can change it from "lineart" to "crosshatching", "oil painting" or "pencil/ink art" just by changing a keyword and you can change the artist(s) it's inspired by or tries to imitate and what it draws "inspiration" from e.g. Conan, Warhammer, DnD etc. just as easily, found this useful chart:

Something else I was messing around with:

Planning on shitting out some shovelware?

 

[Vermillion]

Honestly all this stuff is such a steaming pile of Garbage. I really don't see where any of the supposed advancements are that are not to do with improved computing power/more data. It all looks as bad as its ever been. Technology is not improving.

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Some more on the fantasy side with different modifiers and character classes:

All of these are unmodified first attempts and created within seconds. The AI also easily understands differences in style, you can change it from "lineart" to "crosshatching", "oil painting" or "pencil/ink art" just by changing a keyword and you can change the artist(s) it's inspired by or tries to imitate and what it draws "inspiration" from e.g. Conan, Warhammer, DnD etc. just as easily, found this useful chart:

Something else I was messing around with:

Planning on shitting out some shovelware?

Did an AI rape your dog and shoot your mother or something?

 

[The_Sloth_Sleeps]

Honestly all this stuff is such a steaming pile of Garbage. I really don't see where any of the supposed advancements are that are not to do with improved computing power/more data. It all looks as bad as its ever been. Technology is not improving.

Spoiler

Some more on the fantasy side with different modifiers and character classes:

All of these are unmodified first attempts and created within seconds. The AI also easily understands differences in style, you can change it from "lineart" to "crosshatching", "oil painting" or "pencil/ink art" just by changing a keyword and you can change the artist(s) it's inspired by or tries to imitate and what it draws "inspiration" from e.g. Conan, Warhammer, DnD etc. just as easily, found this useful chart:

Something else I was messing around with:

Planning on shitting out some shovelware?

Did an AI rape your dog and shoot your mother or something?

Its more to do with, being forced to chow down on the "AI" hype at work. I guess it spills out here a little. AI as a term = all that's wrong with the world. You can start with not calling the above mediocre algorithmic image generation as AI.

When push comes to shove, people don't ever want to use it because:- "it's not quite there yet, give it a few more years...AI is really great (but not really)".

 

[Tel Velothi]

I wonder what will happen when 95% of corporate people will be replaced by AI. I think it will happen at some point.
I as a nurse have nothing to fear - AI will not replace me any time soon :D

Those pics are impressive - it's a big data effect, right?

 

[J1M]

Honestly all this stuff is such a steaming pile of Garbage. I really don't see where any of the supposed advancements are that are not to do with improved computing power/more data. It all looks as bad as its ever been. Technology is not improving.

Spoiler

Some more on the fantasy side with different modifiers and character classes:

All of these are unmodified first attempts and created within seconds. The AI also easily understands differences in style, you can change it from "lineart" to "crosshatching", "oil painting" or "pencil/ink art" just by changing a keyword and you can change the artist(s) it's inspired by or tries to imitate and what it draws "inspiration" from e.g. Conan, Warhammer, DnD etc. just as easily, found this useful chart:

Something else I was messing around with:

Planning on shitting out some shovelware?

Did an AI rape your dog and shoot your mother or something?

Its more to do with, being forced to chow down on the "AI" hype at work. I guess it spills out here a little. AI as a term = all that's wrong with the world. You can start with not calling the above mediocre algorithmic image generation as AI.

When push comes to shove, people don't ever want to use it because:- "it's not quite there yet, give it a few more years...AI is really great (but not really)".

It is already good enough to do the artwork for card games.

Hopefully someone is looking into adapting this type of technology for particle effects too.

 

[Viata]

I as a nurse have nothing to fear - AI will not replace me any time soon :D

That is exactly what Art people though.

 

[J1M]

I as a nurse have nothing to fear - AI will not replace me any time soon :D

That is exactly what Art people though.

The medical guilds will fear monger the public again. They were already successful at requiring a joystick to be installed on all robotic surgery equipment so that a doctor can collect guaranteed pay for automated procedures.

A large portion of a nurse's job is manual labor. Those portions could be mechanized much more than they are today. Even without sophisticated robots, the profession has split into Nurse Practitioners, Registered Nurses, and Personal Service Workers. The PSWs are low paid and the most likely to be replaced first.

 

[The_Sloth_Sleeps]

I as a nurse have nothing to fear - AI will not replace me any time soon :D

That is exactly what Art people though.

The medical guilds will fear monger the public again. They were already successful at requiring a joystick to be installed on all robotic surgery equipment so that a doctor can collect guaranteed pay for automated procedures.

A large portion of a nurse's job is manual labor. Those portions could be mechanized much more than they are today. Even without sophisticated robots, the profession has split into Nurse Practitioners, Registered Nurses, and Personal Service Workers. The PSWs are low paid and the most likely to be replaced first.

Are you claiming "AI" will soon be able to stick its fingers up peoples buttocks cavity? No. There is no threat to nursing. There is no threat to any human job because "AI" is as dumb as a bag of hammers and will always need humans to control it. The wheelbarrow has not replaced the labourer and nor will some dumb procedural art generated algorithms.

 

[J1M]

I as a nurse have nothing to fear - AI will not replace me any time soon :D

That is exactly what Art people though.

The medical guilds will fear monger the public again. They were already successful at requiring a joystick to be installed on all robotic surgery equipment so that a doctor can collect guaranteed pay for automated procedures.

A large portion of a nurse's job is manual labor. Those portions could be mechanized much more than they are today. Even without sophisticated robots, the profession has split into Nurse Practitioners, Registered Nurses, and Personal Service Workers. The PSWs are low paid and the most likely to be replaced first.

Are you claiming "AI" will soon be able to stick its fingers up peoples buttocks cavity? No. There is no threat to nursing. There is no threat to any human job because "AI" is as dumb as a bag of hammers and will always need humans to control it. The wheelbarrow has not replaced the labourer and nor will some dumb procedural art generated algorithms.

The wheelbarrow allows one person to move as much as many people can carry with their hands. Same thing with other tools and higher complexity work.

 

[The_Sloth_Sleeps]

I as a nurse have nothing to fear - AI will not replace me any time soon :D

That is exactly what Art people though.

The medical guilds will fear monger the public again. They were already successful at requiring a joystick to be installed on all robotic surgery equipment so that a doctor can collect guaranteed pay for automated procedures.

A large portion of a nurse's job is manual labor. Those portions could be mechanized much more than they are today. Even without sophisticated robots, the profession has split into Nurse Practitioners, Registered Nurses, and Personal Service Workers. The PSWs are low paid and the most likely to be replaced first.

Are you claiming "AI" will soon be able to stick its fingers up peoples buttocks cavity? No. There is no threat to nursing. There is no threat to any human job because "AI" is as dumb as a bag of hammers and will always need humans to control it. The wheelbarrow has not replaced the labourer and nor will some dumb procedural art generated algorithms.

The wheelbarrow allows one person to move as much as many people can carry with their hands. Same thing with other tools and higher complexity work.

What do you actually think "AI" is? Some kind of sci-fi intelligence capability or....?

 

[J1M]

We are obviously talking past each other. Tell me what you think a nurse does.

 

[The_Sloth_Sleeps]

We are obviously talking past each other. Tell me what you think a nurse does.

This will do:-

Definition of nurse​

(Entry 1 of 2)

1 : a person who cares for the sick or infirm
specifically : a licensed health-care professional who practices independently or is supervised by a physician, surgeon, or dentist and who is skilled in promoting and maintaining health