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[Cyberarmy]

Why can't anyone make ARPG combat as awesome as Gothic 1 and 2 did?

Strike right, strike left, repeat 1000x. Seriously, even TW1 had better combat system than Gothic.

Good luck playing Gothic like that...

 

[Black_Willow]

Why can't anyone make ARPG combat as awesome as Gothic 1 and 2 did?

Strike right, strike left, repeat 1000x. Seriously, even TW1 had better combat system than Gothic.

Seriously ?

Srsly

Both games had combat based on auto-targetting and timed attacks. The difference is that in TW you could also strike nearby enemies, while in Gothic you were always hitting only one enemy, even if your big-ass sword literally went trough two others standing next to you. Also, the best way of dealing with enemy in Gothic was to wait for him to charge on you, then strike left/right when he was in your attack range. You could beat everything in melee using this tedious "tactics".
I spoke with numerous Gothic fan who acknowlegde that combat was the worst thing in Gothic, so I didn't know I would cause such butthurt by saing it was bad.

EDIT:

Why can't anyone make ARPG combat as awesome as Gothic 1 and 2 did?

Strike right, strike left, repeat 1000x. Seriously, even TW1 had better combat system than Gothic.

Good luck playing Gothic like that...

I finished Gothic 1 and 2 (with NotR), both twice, playing like that, and I found it to be the best way to fight your way trough the games. It's tedious but effective.

 

[Zboj Lamignat]

W2 was an awful game with nice graphics.

I also agree 100% with what Lagole Gon said at the first page of this thread, CDP's approach to that universe was basically "as many nonsensical brofists to the spotty teenage fans of the books as possible", it reminds me of what Bethesduh did with Fallout big time. There was potential for a good crpg there, but they never even considered using it it seems.

I have no hopes whatsoever for W3.

 

[Infinitron]

The problem is that nobody gives a shit about your silly potato book.

 

[Zboj Lamignat]

Well, my whole point is that if they didn't give a shit about it and just used the universe they could make a good game. Not giving a shit was the way to go.

 

[Lagole Gon]

The problem is that nobody gives a shit about your silly potato book.

Fuck you.
Also, you are right. Kind of.
New reprints even have covers with concepts from TW2. Even fucking Letho... you are not CANON MOTHERFUCKER GET THE FUCK OUT FROM THIS COVER FUUUFUCJKCXJASDL|HFH%#

 

[J_C]

CDP's approach to that universe was basically "as many nonsensical brofists to the spotty teenage fans of the books as possible"

What the fuck does that even mean? It sounds edgy, but it doesn't make any sense. Even better, why would they do that? Most of the people on the west didn't ever read to books, many of them didn't know that they exist.

 

[Lagole Gon]

CDP's approach to that universe was basically "as many nonsensical brofists to the spotty teenage fans of the books as possible"

What the fuck does that even mean? It sounds edgy, but it doesn't make any sense. Even better, why would they do that? Most of the people on the west didn't ever read to books, many of them didn't know that they exist.

Matt, potatoes know what they are talking about.
What Zbój said is true in TW1, the amount of hamfisted references and direct quotations is bizarre. They even copied a dead character from books and just gave him a different name (again, fanfictionercrophilia). I'm talking about Profesor -> Magister.
Oh, wait. English translation team fucked up so his name is professor again
TW2 handled it much better though.

 

[Zboj Lamignat]

What the fuck does that even mean? It sounds edgy, but it doesn't make any sense. Even better, why would they do that? Most of the people on the west didn't ever read to books, many of them didn't know that they exist.

Yeah, keep asking me that because clearly I'm the one who told them to shoehorn a character from the books every two steps. I don't know mang, perhaps they did it to sell even more potato copies, perhaps they did it because they are/were spotty Sapkowski fans themselves, perhaps they lack talent to create anything better, perhaps all of these.

 

[J_C]

What the fuck does that even mean? It sounds edgy, but it doesn't make any sense. Even better, why would they do that? Most of the people on the west didn't ever read to books, many of them didn't know that they exist.

Yeah, keep asking me that because clearly I'm the one who told them to shoehorn a character from the books every two steps. I don't know mang, perhaps they did it to sell even more potato copies, perhaps they did it because they are/were spotty Sapkowski fans themselves, perhaps they lack talent to create anything better, perhaps all of these.

Yeah, God forbid them to put in characters from the book. It would look like they make a game based on the *gasp* Witcher universe.

 

[Zboj Lamignat]

Can I use the retarded emoticon now or are you going to write something else?

 

[J_C]

Can I use the retarded emoticon now or are you going to write something else?

I don't want to burst your bubble, but you are the one talking retarded things. So, this is for you:

 

[Tagaziel]

Yeah, keep asking me that because clearly I'm the one who told them to shoehorn a character from the books every two steps. I don't know mang, perhaps they did it to sell even more potato copies, perhaps they did it because they are/were spotty Sapkowski fans themselves, perhaps they lack talent to create anything better, perhaps all of these.

Yeah, it gets annoying. Your point? The core plotline of TW1 is not based on the books (unless I missed the WITCHER SUPER SOLDIER PROGRAM Vilgefortz was pulling off in his free time).

 

[Zboj Lamignat]

The core plotline of TW1 is not based on the books

It's not based on the plot line of the books in similar manner to F3 not being based on F1-2. So I assume you loved the Harold cameo or what they did to super mutants, BoS and Enclave?

Edit: Also, I don't want to derail the thread, since W1-2's game concept and writing being basically on a shitty fan fiction level (seriously, if I was the creative director for these games and any writer would start a creative meeting with "Geralt is back, but he has amnesia, lol beka XD" I would give him a disciplinary sacking for incompetence on the spot) is not even the biggest problem of W2. Though them trying a creative approach to the universe could help with the game itself being a bit better, if only by, oh I don't know, allowing for a character creation in mah crpg?

 

[Gerrard]

I don't think you've ever read shitty fanfiction.

 

[Infinitron]

Butthurt fanboys gonna butthurt. The Witcher games could be SO much worse. Think of what Bioware would have done with the setting.

 

[Jashiin]

 

[Cyberarmy]

Butthurt fanboys gonna butthurt. The Witcher games could be SO much worse. Think of what Bioware would have done with the setting.

Hot Gerard vs Dandelion action!
Even hotter with Zoltan!!

 

[Tagaziel]

The core plotline of TW1 is not based on the books

It's not based on the plot line of the books in similar manner to F3 not being based on F1-2. So I assume you loved the Harold cameo or what they did to super mutants, BoS and Enclave?

Edit: Also, I don't want to derail the thread, since W1-2's game concept and writing being basically on a shitty fan fiction level (seriously, if I was the creative director for these games and any writer would start a creative meeting with "Geralt is back, but he has amnesia, lol beka XD" I would give him a disciplinary sacking for incompetence on the spot) is not even the biggest problem of W2. Though them trying a creative approach to the universe could help with the game itself being a bit better, if only by, oh I don't know, allowing for a character creation in mah crpg?

How I love the "IF I WAS!" argument. No, you weren't, and thank M'Atra for that.

And FYI, the original concept did involve a separate protagonist. You'd know that, if you had anything more than bile to share:

And more

http://www.gamespot.com/the-witcher/images/?page=22

 

[Infinitron]

Funny how they were still using the NWN font there.

 

[Storyfag]

As a fan(atic) ofthe original novels I can attest that both Zboj Lamignat and Lagole Gon are talking out of their arses

 

[Zboj Lamignat]

Yeah, clearly I'm butthurt for saying they should give a big fuck you to Geralt and that would only improve the game. Not people who "OMG Triss tits" and run around the internet stalking people who say bad thing about these two crappy games

And FYI, the original concept did involve a separate protagonist. You'd know that, if you had anything more than bile to share

Yeah, you do love these "what if" arguments apparently.

 

[J_C]

Yeah, clearly I'm butthurt for saying they should give a big fuck you to Geralt and that would only improve the game. Not people who "OMG Triss tits" and run around the internet stalking people who say bad thing about these two crappy games

And FYI, the original concept did involve a separate protagonist. You'd know that, if you had anything more than bile to share

Yeah, you do love these "what if" arguments apparently.

You clearly hate the story of the game, hate the gameplay, why are you here in this thread again?

 

[Zboj Lamignat]

Because I'm interested in crpg games and have read the books as a kid? Also people who don't like something are now apparently its fanboys.

 

[Lagole Gon]

He's completely right. Thank god for people who are honest with the source of the fiction.

I know, right?
I especially like how faithfully they represented witchers - order of jedi knights known for casting fireballs, mind control and time-stopping spells.