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KickStarter ATOM RPG - Wasteland Soviet style! - now with Dead City update

Discussion in 'General RPG Discussion' started by Atomboy, Oct 1, 2016.

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Will you back?

Poll closed Nov 28, 2017.
  1. I will consider it!

    39 vote(s)
    54.9%
  2. No! I would never!..

    9 vote(s)
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  3. kingcomrade

    23 vote(s)
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  1. Grotesque ±¼ Patron

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    Divinity: Original Sin Divinity: Original Sin 2
    Does anyone know how shields work in this game?

    I have a shield with +10% damage resistance (shield)
    + 3 damage threshold (shield)

    When stats on an armour reads "(body)" I guess it applies when being hit to the body.

    What does "(shield)" means?
    So the shield must be targeted by the enemy ?
    Its bonuses applies to the body by default?
    Why its bonus is not shown on the inventory UI where dmg. res/threshold is?
    When equipping the shiled, I see only str and dex debuff shown.

    This is confusing as fuck
     
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  2. RK47 collides like two planets pulled by gravity Patron

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    Yeah make the shield more casual ffs
     
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  3. krilcebre Educated

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    I'm not sure either, but I'm using them. Supposedly they reduce damage but only from the front and if they block, which isn't shown on the UI. :happytrollboy:
     
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  4. TwinkieGorilla does a good job. Patron

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    Serpent in the Staglands Divinity: Original Sin Torment: Tides of Numenera Wasteland 2 Shadorwun: Hong Kong Divinity: Original Sin 2 BattleTech
    Hey dude. First: I’m not reading any of that. If you want to have a conversation with me you’ll need to be more concise and less butthurt & retarded.

    Second: this might come as a surprise but I’m not here to get friendly with the dumpy incels and racist potatoes. The only people whose opinions matter to me are the ones who are responsible for making games and, in the rare case, putting my name in the credits. I’m here to put a bug in developers ears, not for pissing contests with people too dense to parse the actual content of my posts. Mmkay? Mmkay.
     
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  5. Gaius maximus Arbiter

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    you can do many things to properly balance the weapons,you can decrease the ammo spawn rate for automatics/rifles decrease the chance of automatics/rifles spawning (after all enemy npcs dont use most of the best weapons up until very late game),so us casuals that cant understand the brilliant never-seen-before current balance that your amazing beta testing team has made have a chance to win the very hard fights you can solo with a rusty knife.
     
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  6. krilcebre Educated

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    Guys I think I've found their tester.

     
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  7. Gaius maximus Arbiter

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    he is practising bullshido?
     
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  8. krilcebre Educated

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    What ever he is practicing, it's OP.
     
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  9. pm_675 Learned

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    Or instead of being passive-agressive about "casuals" not understanding the brilliancy of your system, you could, maybe I don't know, explain the systems?

    Grotesque above asked how Shields works. RK47 and myself had asked clarification on how the systems works 10 or 15 days ago. It has been near a month from release and zero information given on how systems works.

    I think that is in a large part, why some people are confused and demanding changes.
     
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  10. Van-d-all Learned

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    Except both 3 and 4 barrel rifles use same 12ga ammo, so unless there's an undocumented penetration stat for the guns themselves, there's pretty much no way of knowing that...

    Also this is definitely not right:
    Show Spoiler

    [​IMG]
     
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  11. Cadmus Arcane

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    Ok I started playing.
    Just reached the Krasnosomething town.
    I got a couple questions:
    1) a patch just started downloading - what is it?
    2) did I make a shit character?
    Luck 10
    Attn 7
    Personality 7
    STR 4
    Dex 5
    I think..

    Speech I got 70 and still failed some checks already.

    3) will I ever be able to get more Dex? 7 AP seems too little

    So far the writing seems really nice, except for the fucking adventurer with wounded knees, fuck me I hope that meme dies finally.
     
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  12. bataille Prestigious Gentleman Arcane

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    Damn, that's a pretty monocled character. Go to Peregon and crash that space-faring hardware ASAP!
     
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  13. krilcebre Educated

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    If you want to focus on combat, make a char with 10 dex.
     
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  14. bataille Prestigious Gentleman Arcane

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    Dude, man, I don't know. Personally, I think that those rumors that Masodov isn't a real writer are a load of horseshit. You won't find a post-WWII Russian writer with a writing style as unique as his PERIOD. Sure, there are, like, three dozen examples of Sorokin passages scattered throughout his bibliography, but that doesn't mean shit. I say that Masodov is a real writer that's got some unconscious inspirations from Sorokin's early novels and that's it. His own writing is such a rare example of vision that I find it hilarious that some critics try their hardest to link him to some established postmodern writers. Dummies gonna dummy.
     
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  15. Iluvcheezcake Savant

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    THIS. Maybe its a translation thing, but I think you got the definions of a casual played mixed up with, lets say .... a "CRPG enthusiast" who likes to understand the underlying game system rules and limitations to make a informed decision while creating a character and playing your game.

    For examples - check out UnderRail, Age of Decadence, Dungeon Rats for examples how its done right in a clean, systematic way. There is zero shame in emulating quality work, it would only improve your game.

    Also, whats the 1.0.7.1 patch notes? Cant find em
     
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  16. Zer0wing Arbiter

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    ?

    What was wrong about Insomnia?
     
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  17. krilcebre Educated

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    Hah, picked the same dialog option, got the same outcome. Now I cannot get that damn chainsaw. I'm not under influence of a mushroom, so I don't think there is a problem (although I did that quest that requires you to eat a mushroom earlier). Atomboy can you look into it, now I cannot even use chainsaw for my melee build. :negative:
     
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  18. RK47 collides like two planets pulled by gravity Patron

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    It's ok, you can always use a Dragunov in melee.
     
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  19. Lhynn Arcane

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    How important is attention? can you shoot shit with attention 1 if you invested skillpoints?
     
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  20. krilcebre Educated

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    Yes but you will need to invest a lot of skill points. Plus you will be useless first 5-6 levels, and even more if you divide skill points for speechcraft and some other stuff. With Attention 1, you better max out the gun skill you want to use. I've tested it with grenades, and at 155 throwing weapons I have around 80-90 percent chance to hit at max range.
     
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  21. Cadmus Arcane

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    Fuck!
    I made a save before leaving the bunker 371 cuz I suspected an ambush and ofc I died.
    But when I reload previous two saves, my character is just lying on the ground, dead.

    Any advice? Seems the game bugged up and I can't continue...
     
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  22. Atomboy Atom Team Developer

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    As far as I understand, if you hold your shield between yourself and an enemy who is shooting at you, you will get lower damage (the damage will be lowered by the body armor the shield has, summed with the armor you are wearing), or even no damage, because inside of the game shields have this total absorption % thing.

    I really hope it won't come to that. Pleasing everyone sounded pretty flawless, but I think it's failing. Although, if the new combat system will actually be understandable by those outside of the ranks of its creators, it will be a good thing.

    Don't shoot the messenger, man! I just translated the thing. I explained about the shields to the best of my knowledge in this very post. Firearms, as far as I understand it, have damage, AP cost, accuracy limiter and chance to punch through armor (which comes from the bullet type), so that supposedly explains the inconsistencies in specking the weapons. So on the ground level, a burst from VSS costing 4 while burst from AR costs 6 looks retarded. But actually, it's supposedly balanced, because VSS has lower armor piercing qualities, and it's second and third bullets in the burst have lower chance to hit than the AR bullets. I argued that even if it's so, it's not noticeable. So now the guy is making an overhaul of the most criticized branches, begrudgingly. Now that overhaul will probably have actual formulae which I will copypaste to those who want them. It doesn't have those now, that's why I couldn't answer your question before if that was you on the Steam forum.

    Try it now. Can you get it now? The 1.0.7.1 was a fix to this situation.
    Hope it will become possible in the future. I have no problem with sharing those, it's just that currently they only exist as a jumble of code. The 1.0.7.1. is basically the part of 1.0.7 that didn't post correctly with 1.0.7. it's the very same thing 1.0.7. is all about, but actually working. For example, some bugfixes we implemented did not activate and now they did.
     
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  23. Atomboy Atom Team Developer

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    Well, that's part of the reason to overhaul the penetration thing. :(
     
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  24. Atomboy Atom Team Developer

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    Never heard about that one before. So the game autosaved on your corpse? Weird. Can you email us the saves from %AppData%/../LocalLow/AtomTeam/Atom to support@atomrpg.com ? We'll look into it, and revive your char if that's the case.
     
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  25. jungl Learned

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    this game would be fun to play real time if it was like fallout tactics but impossible lol. Combat system of fallout 1-2 is shit
     
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