Baldur's Gate Baldur's Gate 3 Early Access Thread [GAME RELEASED, GO TO NEW THREAD]

[Larianshill]

If I was Swen, I wouldn't want my name be tied to this shithole publically, journos are already at his throat for some reason. I'd come here and invent a shitpost persona as a way to maintain plausible deniability.

 

[Heroic Liberator]

If I was Swen, I wouldn't want my name be tied to this shithole publically, journos are already at his throat for some reason. I'd come here and invent a shitpost persona as a way to maintain plausible deniability.

Our Swen is Bulgarian and living in Belgium.

 

[Harthwain]

If I was Swen, I wouldn't want my name be tied to this shithole publically

Well, He did admit publicly, in an interview, that Larian is "following threads on the Larian forums, or on forums like RPG Codex and RPG Watch, where we’re watching what people are writing, what their problems are, and saying, okay, we can fix it that way":

https://rpgcodex.net/forums/threads/massive-interview-with-swen-vincke-at-rock-paper-shotgun.90275/

He also gave some interviews directly for the Codex:

https://rpgcodex.net/forums/threads/swen-vincke-talks-to-the-codex.69170/

 

[Yosharian]

If I was Swen, I wouldn't want my name be tied to this shithole publically

Well, He did admit publicly, in an interview, that Larian is "following threads on the Larian forums, or on forums like RPG Codex and RPG Watch, where we’re watching what people are writing, what their problems are, and saying, okay, we can fix it that way":

https://rpgcodex.net/forums/threads/massive-interview-with-swen-vincke-at-rock-paper-shotgun.90275/

He also gave some interviews directly for the Codex:

https://rpgcodex.net/forums/threads/swen-vincke-talks-to-the-codex.69170/

Like 7 years ago? Not really enough to get cancelled

 

[Shrimp]

If I was Swen, I wouldn't want my name be tied to this shithole publically

Well, He did admit publicly, in an interview, that Larian is "following threads on the Larian forums, or on forums like RPG Codex and RPG Watch, where we’re watching what people are writing, what their problems are, and saying, okay, we can fix it that way":

https://rpgcodex.net/forums/threads/massive-interview-with-swen-vincke-at-rock-paper-shotgun.90275/

He also gave some interviews directly for the Codex:

https://rpgcodex.net/forums/threads/swen-vincke-talks-to-the-codex.69170/

This was wayyy back before they'd even finishing making their 'big' breakthrough game (Original Sin 1). The site itself along with video game forum 'culture' has also changed since then.
Larian is pretty much a AAA studio at this point. While I can't rule out the possibility that some of their developers might lurk on sites like this one, it's definitely not like they need to actively mingle with this site just to hope to sell enough copies.

 

[NJClaw]

Larian is pretty much a AAA studio at this point. While I can't rule out the possibility that some of their developers might lurk on sites like this one, it's definitely not like they need to actively mingle with this site just to hope to sell enough copies.

What are you talking about?

50% of the sales of every Larian game come directly from rusty. He alone owns around 500.000 copies of Divinity: Original Sin 2.

 

[Shrimp]

Larian is pretty much a AAA studio at this point. While I can't rule out the possibility that some of their developers might lurk on sites like this one, it's definitely not like they need to actively mingle with this site just to hope to sell enough copies.

What are you talking about?

50% of the sales of every Larian game come directly from rusty. He alone owns around 500.000 copies of Divinity: Original Sin 2.

To be honest I'm moderately curious to know how big of a budget they have for BG3. I especially also want to know how much of it came out of their own pockets as a result of previous game sales.

 

[hell bovine]

See? This is a great example of how to do it right: you turn a failure in something that doesn't simply force a reload, but opens an interesting minor subplot and potentially will have repercussions down the line.

I think you'll get to meet that npcs sooner or later anyway, so I'd not expect much from that encounter. There seems to be at least some branching between the evil vs good options, which admittedly the originals were lacking (e.g. side with Bodhi, later on no one cares anyway that you used to work for vampires).

The funniest failure outcome I've found was if you trigger the magic mirror trap and then ask Shovel how to disarm it. Too bad you can't keep Shovel, though, he's more amusing than the evil companions.

 

[Goldschmidt]

Just buy the game, phaggots, so I can stay on welfare and play POE. You all like TB so much, well this game is the gloryhole of TB!

Also codex girls, BG3 is girl friendly with lots of charming men/women to romance and featuring fantastical cosplay clothing material!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! We Belgians know how to handle gaming girls properly All girls unite and buy our game and pimp your sleeping rooms with Swen doll figurines!

 

[rusty_shackleford]

this idea of "turn failures into something good!" is retarded, failures are supposed to suck
want to not turn failures into reloads? how about taking the quickload cheat away instead of trying to lightly prod cheaters into not cheating

 

[Maxwell's Demon]

There is one notable example of this with Karlach, a future companion. If you approach her, she tells you to stay away. Unless you roll high on persuasion or intimidation, you can't talk to her further. That's it, your only further interactions with this character will be violent, unless you choose to leave her alone.
They'll almost certainly retool it for when Karlach actually becomes a companion, but it's not like it's the only example of such a thing happening.

She'll talk to you again after you get the quest to kill her from the people in the house at the top of the nearby cliff. Maybe the conversation trigger bugged out for you?

 

[Tuco Benedicto Pacifico]

this idea of "turn failures into something good!" is retarded, failures are supposed to suck
want to not turn failures into reloads? how about taking the quickload cheat away instead of trying to lightly prod cheaters into not cheating

Jesus Christ, few months LARPing as a rabid Larian stan and now you are actually turning into a mongoloid, you aren't even just pretending anymore.

The point is not "turn failures into something good". It's obvious that you are going to be curb-stomped in a battle there's no way around sucking dicks.
The point is "make it so that failing a random roll doesn't ask from the player a reload, but opens an alternate possibility, even if less than ideal". Especially because the player can't exactly be blamed for failing a roll he attempted even when all the odds were stacked in his favor.
And binary "win or lose" scenarios tied to a random factor are retarded design to begin with.

 

[rusty_shackleford]

this idea of "turn failures into something good!" is retarded, failures are supposed to suck
want to not turn failures into reloads? how about taking the quickload cheat away instead of trying to lightly prod cheaters into not cheating

Jesus Christ, few months LARPing as a rabid Larian stan and now you are actually turning into a mongoloid, you aren't even just pretending anymore.

The point is not "turn failures into something good". It's obvious that you are going to be curb-stomped in a battle there's no way around sucking dicks.
The point is "make it so that failing a random roll doesn't ask from the player a reload, but opens an alternate possibility, even if less than ideal". Especially because the player can't exactly be blamed for failing a roll he attempted even when all the odds were stacked in his favor.
And binary "win or lose" scenarios tied to a random factor are retarded design to begin with.

the alternate possibility is accepting that you failed and moving on
"NOOOOOOOOOO WE CANT HAVE THAT, WE NEED PARTICIPATION TROPHIES OR WE CHEAT!"

yeah fuck off

 

[Tuco Benedicto Pacifico]

There's no "accepting and moving on" if failing a random skill check turns into a game over. There's only reloading the game.
Buffoon.

 

[rusty_shackleford]

There's no "accepting and moving on" if failing a random skill check turns into a game over. There's only reloading the game.
Buffoon.

Name one example where you got a gameover from a single roll and not a series of failures and poor player choices.

 

[Cryomancer]

quickload cheat

If the player wanna save scum, is his choice, rusty. What is the next after removing quicksave/load? DMCA mods which adds this feature? Denuvo the game to prevent cheat engine? THIS IS A SINGLE PLAYER GAME, NOT DDO. And DDO is a much better game BTW. I don't quicksave on Pathfinder Kingmaker, except on higher difficulties, but I will gonna do that on BG3 cuz extremely low level 5E. And if I can, I will mod 3E/2E HP values, and 3E spells into the game. I don't care if someone considers it cheating.

 

[rusty_shackleford]

quickload cheat

If the player wanna save scum, is his choice, rusty. What is the next after removing quicksave/load? DMCA mods which adds this feature? Denuvo the game to prevent cheat engine? THIS IS A SINGLE PLAYER GAME, NOT DDO. And DDO is a much better game BTW. I don't quicksave on Pathfinder Kingmaker, except on higher difficulties, but I will gonna do that on BG3 cuz extremely low level 5E. And if I can, I will mod 3E/2E HP values, and 3E spells into the game. I don't care if someone considers it cheating.

I agree, just put a big button in front of the player that says "I win!" and causes you to immediately win the game. If a player wants to press it, who are you to say otherwise? It's a singleplayer game!

 

[Gargaune]

Not this again. Debating save-scumming or failure paths is addressing symptoms rather than the root cause - 5E's ungratifying skills progression. You're not gonna get pervasively peeved if the dice gods undercut your "specialised" skills with the occasional crap roll, but if you can't build beyond marginal advantage and you're riding the d20 almost exclusively, it becomes frustrating. Though that's WotC's cock-up, not Larian's.

 

[Ontopoly]

I hope Swen reads these threads. I want him to know he's a soulless, passionless, no integrity fuck.

 

[Quillon]

I want him to know he's a soulless, passionless, no integrity fuck.

Factually incorrect statements

 

[Swen]

I hope Swen reads these threads. I want him to know he's a soulless, passionless, no integrity fuck.

Infinitron It's time Ontopsh*t gets the retarded tag, he deserves it.

If I was Swen, I wouldn't want my name be tied to this shithole publically, journos are already at his throat for some reason. I'd come here and invent a shitpost persona as a way to maintain plausible deniability.

Our Swen is Bulgarian and living in Belgium.

I'm not Bulgarian, I'm Flemish. Ik zen gene zigeuner maat.

 

[d1r]

I hope Swen reads these threads. I want him to know he's a soulless, passionless, no integrity fuck.

I am sure that he will take the "criticism" of someone (You) with a severe case of ADHD to heart.

 

[fantadomat]

I hope Swen reads these threads. I want him to know he's a soulless, passionless, no integrity fuck.

Infinitron It's time Ontopsh*t gets the retarded tag, he deserves it.

If I was Swen, I wouldn't want my name be tied to this shithole publically, journos are already at his throat for some reason. I'd come here and invent a shitpost persona as a way to maintain plausible deniability.

Our Swen is Bulgarian and living in Belgium.

I'm not Bulgarian, I'm Flemish. Ik zen gene zigeuner maat.

Spoken like a true bulgar.

 

[Tuco Benedicto Pacifico]

It's not exactly a new idea or discovery, but as the time goes on I'm developing more and more a fierce distaste for that category of "players" that I like to call "the convenience advocates".
You know, these players that are constantly asking to have unlimited fast travel from anywhere to everywhere at any given time, that start to cry and moan a the mere suggestion of doing some resource management, that have a panic attack at the mere suggestion that there could be time limits of any sort (no matter how forgiving in practical term), that want a big omniscient minimap and giant quest markers to lead them by the nose at any given moment, that HATE the mere idea of not being able to spam long rests at will without any drawback whatsoever, that beg to make friendly fire optional because "it sucks that I can hurt myself with my spells", etc.

It doesn't help their case that more often than not they seem to overlap to an uncanny degree with the same audience that treat these sort of RPGs as if they were some fucking dating sim where "simping for Character X" is basically the main quest as far as they are concerned.

Like, Jesus Christ, what are you even playing a game for?
It's bloody obvious you have no interest whatsoever in putting any amount of effort in learning how any of its subsystems work.
If all you want is dialogues and romances, go read some fucking Harmony or something.

 

[Larianshill]

Personally, I like how simping over romances has almost dispersed on the BG3 subreddit, and now it's mostly about the actual game.