Baldur's Gate Baldur's Gate 3 Early Access Thread [GAME RELEASED, GO TO NEW THREAD]

[Desiderius]

THIS is Jaheira?
What the hell.

And what's the problem?
She's like 120 years old.

I think they nailed the "widow cougar just before smashing to the wall" look.

More Californication.

“Cougar” smdh. Rest of the world knows how to act their fucking age, you insufferable phaggots.

 

[mediocrepoet]

netherese nuclear device in your ass

the more of such insanity, the better. only hope of saving modern fantasy tales from utter boredom

Here you go, bud. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adderall

I actually totally agree with you

You seem to be malfunctioning

No, you're just all over the map

I have literally had one point on this entire topic: that D&D's best and most unique asset is the over-the-top extraplanar insane shit and that Larian should stick to that because they are incapable of writing a clasically good story

How you turn that into being "all over the map" is beyond me nigga

Because most people understand differences in magnitude.

This claim: D&D's best and most unique asset is the over-the-top extraplanar insane shit
is not at all the same magnitude as this: only hope of saving modern fantasy tales from utter boredom

In fact, I'd go so far as to say that no, it's not even kind of the same claim. First of all, the second is not only stronger, but talks about the entire genre and beyond, whereas the first is talking about the primary or greatest strength of a specific ruleset. Therefore, I tend to agree with the first statement, while I simultaneously think that the second, if truly held, means you should probably look into medication.

 

[Grunker]

netherese nuclear device in your ass

the more of such insanity, the better. only hope of saving modern fantasy tales from utter boredom

Here you go, bud. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adderall

I actually totally agree with you

You seem to be malfunctioning

No, you're just all over the map

I have literally had one point on this entire topic: that D&D's best and most unique asset is the over-the-top extraplanar insane shit and that Larian should stick to that because they are incapable of writing a clasically good story

How you turn that into being "all over the map" is beyond me nigga

Because most people understand differences in magnitude.

This claim: D&D's best and most unique asset is the over-the-top extraplanar insane shit
is not at all the same magnitude as this: only hope of saving modern fantasy tales from utter boredom

In fact, I'd go so far as to say that no, it's not even kind of the same claim. First of all, the second is not only stronger, but talks about the entire genre and beyond, whereas the first is talking about the primary or greatest strength of a specific ruleset. Therefore, I tend to agree with the first statement, while I simultaneously think that the second, if truly held, means you should probably look into medication.

 

[Lagole Gon]

Calm down you nigger faggots, there's no reason to get hostile.

 

[Tyranicon]

 

[Reinhardt]

You guys talk about the Nashkel mines.
But what about Durlag's Tower?
Traps. Traps everywhere. Not to mention the other horrors.

firewine ruins shits on them both

 

[Non-Edgy Gamer]

Guy casts 2 3rd level spells (fireball and lightning bolt) and then goes to lower level spells like acid arrow and magic missile before resorting to his dagger. Yes, clearly archmage material. You're looking at level 9, maybe level 10 wizard. That's barely name level in AD&D, nevermind epic level.

Zero cooldown on his spells. He'd also battled a dragon in the past, so maybe that's what Rusty meant.

Sarevok is certainly capable of killing a dragon though.

Then there's Elminster, whom you meet in the next area.

 

[rusty_shackleford]

Guy casts 2 3rd level spells (fireball and lightning bolt) and then goes to lower level spells like acid arrow and magic missile before resorting to his dagger. Yes, clearly archmage material. You're looking at level 9, maybe level 10 wizard. That's barely name level in AD&D, nevermind epic level.

Zero cooldown on his spells. He'd also battled a dragon in the past, so maybe that's what Rusty meant.

Sarevok is certainly capable of killing a dragon though.

Then there's Elminster, whom you meet in the next area.

sometimes I have to wonder if they actually played the game
it's the entire plot of Firkraag

 

[Gradenmayer]

Ya pingas are pretending that NPC levels meant shit back in the OG baldurs gate? Where companions just match the level of main hero whenever you recruit them?

 

[Fedora Master]

The shills have been grasping at straws from day 1

 

[rusty_shackleford]

noticing a distinct lack of rage at bg1 having level 1 harper agents join your party
strange!

 

[mediocrepoet]

Guy casts 2 3rd level spells (fireball and lightning bolt) and then goes to lower level spells like acid arrow and magic missile before resorting to his dagger. Yes, clearly archmage material. You're looking at level 9, maybe level 10 wizard. That's barely name level in AD&D, nevermind epic level.

Zero cooldown on his spells. He'd also battled a dragon in the past, so maybe that's what Rusty meant.

Sarevok is certainly capable of killing a dragon though.

Then there's Elminster, whom you meet in the next area.

sometimes I have to wonder if they actually played the game
it's the entire plot of Firkraag

Sometimes I wonder if you're aware that you can kill Firkraag at the very beginning of BG2... when you're not epic levelled. Meaning if Gorion didn't kill him outright, he's definitely not epic levelled (which would also be why Sarevok wasn't utterly annihilated).

 

[rusty_shackleford]

Guy casts 2 3rd level spells (fireball and lightning bolt) and then goes to lower level spells like acid arrow and magic missile before resorting to his dagger. Yes, clearly archmage material. You're looking at level 9, maybe level 10 wizard. That's barely name level in AD&D, nevermind epic level.

Zero cooldown on his spells. He'd also battled a dragon in the past, so maybe that's what Rusty meant.

Sarevok is certainly capable of killing a dragon though.

Then there's Elminster, whom you meet in the next area.

sometimes I have to wonder if they actually played the game
it's the entire plot of Firkraag

Sometimes I wonder if you're aware that you can kill Firkraag at the very beginning of BG2... when you're not epic levelled. Meaning if Gorion didn't kill him outright, he's definitely not epic levelled (which would also be why Sarevok wasn't utterly annihilated).

it was also when gorion was significantly younger

(hint: age is not a bad thing for a wizard)

 

[mediocrepoet]

Sometimes I wonder if you're aware that you can kill Firkraag at the very beginning of BG2... when you're not epic levelled. Meaning if Gorion didn't kill him outright, he's definitely not epic levelled (which would also be why Sarevok wasn't utterly annihilated).

it was also when gorion was significantly younger

(hint: age is not a bad thing for a wizard)

Hint: Still couldn't do jack.
Hint2: Age is not a bad thing for a dragon.
Hint3: This conversation isn't becoming less dumb with time.
Hint4: Can we shift the goalposts back to the county we started in now?

 

[rusty_shackleford]

Guy casts 2 3rd level spells (fireball and lightning bolt) and then goes to lower level spells like acid arrow and magic missile before resorting to his dagger. Yes, clearly archmage material. You're looking at level 9, maybe level 10 wizard. That's barely name level in AD&D, nevermind epic level.

Zero cooldown on his spells. He'd also battled a dragon in the past, so maybe that's what Rusty meant.

Sarevok is certainly capable of killing a dragon though.

Then there's Elminster, whom you meet in the next area.

sometimes I have to wonder if they actually played the game
it's the entire plot of Firkraag

Sometimes I wonder if you're aware that you can kill Firkraag at the very beginning of BG2... when you're not epic levelled. Meaning if Gorion didn't kill him outright, he's definitely not epic levelled (which would also be why Sarevok wasn't utterly annihilated).

it was also when gorion was significantly younger

(hint: age is not a bad thing for a wizard)

Hint: Still couldn't do jack.
Hint2: Age is not a bad thing for a dragon.
Hint3: This conversation isn't becoming less dumb with time.
Hint4: Can we shift the goalposts back to the county we started in now?

a human and dragon don't age at the same rate
decades for gorion was enough to get him in good graces with Elminster

this is like asserting someone who knows one of the most powerful people in the world on a firstname basis is probably not actually very important

 

[Cryomancer]

first 5 minutes of bg1 you see two epic level mages capable of fighting dragons duel it out to the death lmao
just because the graphics suck doesn't mean it isn't true

Guy casts 2 3rd level spells (fireball and lightning bolt) and then goes to lower level spells like acid arrow and magic missile before resorting to his dagger. Yes, clearly archmage material. You're looking at level 9, maybe level 10 wizard. That's barely name level in AD&D, nevermind epic level.

Cryomancer plz educate this fool.

For him, everything past lv 4 is "epic level"... He din't casted a single iconic mid level spell like stoneskin. And as someone who spended DECADES in candlekeep, he should know a few mid level spells. I'm not saying that he should be able to cast wish and stop time, but he should be around lv 9~12.

Codex if BG were released today: "LOL being chosen one child of a God of course modern games are so high fantasy trash"

You play as one of the many children of a deity. And people try to steal it form you...

 

[rusty_shackleford]

For him, everything past lv 4 is "epic level"... He din't casted a single iconic mid level spell like stoneskin. And as someone who spended DECADES in candlekeep, he should know a few mid level spells. I'm not saying that he should be able to cast wish and stop time, but he should be around lv 9~12.

they weren't implemented in the engine at the time

hope that clears things up

 

[rusty_shackleford]

can't believe we're at the point where codexers are pointing at gameplay mechanics and ignoring the story to try to explain... the story.

 

[mediocrepoet]

Guy casts 2 3rd level spells (fireball and lightning bolt) and then goes to lower level spells like acid arrow and magic missile before resorting to his dagger. Yes, clearly archmage material. You're looking at level 9, maybe level 10 wizard. That's barely name level in AD&D, nevermind epic level.

Zero cooldown on his spells. He'd also battled a dragon in the past, so maybe that's what Rusty meant.

Sarevok is certainly capable of killing a dragon though.

Then there's Elminster, whom you meet in the next area.

sometimes I have to wonder if they actually played the game
it's the entire plot of Firkraag

Sometimes I wonder if you're aware that you can kill Firkraag at the very beginning of BG2... when you're not epic levelled. Meaning if Gorion didn't kill him outright, he's definitely not epic levelled (which would also be why Sarevok wasn't utterly annihilated).

it was also when gorion was significantly younger

(hint: age is not a bad thing for a wizard)

Hint: Still couldn't do jack.
Hint2: Age is not a bad thing for a dragon.
Hint3: This conversation isn't becoming less dumb with time.
Hint4: Can we shift the goalposts back to the county we started in now?

a human and dragon don't age at the same rate
decades for gorion was enough to get him in good graces with Elminster

this is like asserting someone who knows one of the most powerful people in the world on a firstname basis is probably not actually very important

It's like asserting that someone who throws a few middling level spells and some apprentice level spells and then resorts to stabbing with a non-magical dagger before being gutted probably isn't a world bending power in most game worlds, especially not in high powered ones like the Forgotten Realms. I don't know, I guess your standards are different.

 

[mediocrepoet]

can't believe we're at the point where codexers are pointing at gameplay mechanics and ignoring the story to try to explain... the story.

Can't believe we're at the point where Codexers think Baldur's Gate is a good story game. I guess that's what MMOs do to you. Fallout 76, not even once!

 

[rusty_shackleford]

It's like asserting that someone who throws a few middling level spells and some apprentice level spells and then resorts to stabbing with a non-magical dagger before being gutted probably isn't a world bending power in most game worlds, especially not in high powered ones like the Forgotten Realms. I don't know, I guess your standards are different.

are you 14?

 

[mediocrepoet]

It's like asserting that someone who throws a few middling level spells and some apprentice level spells and then resorts to stabbing with a non-magical dagger before being gutted probably isn't a world bending power in most game worlds, especially not in high powered ones like the Forgotten Realms. I don't know, I guess your standards are different.

are you 14?

12, but thanks for the compliment.
Are you saying that you think epic level wizards commonly fight fighters with daggers? Is that the hill you want to die on?

 

[rusty_shackleford]

It's like asserting that someone who throws a few middling level spells and some apprentice level spells and then resorts to stabbing with a non-magical dagger before being gutted probably isn't a world bending power in most game worlds, especially not in high powered ones like the Forgotten Realms. I don't know, I guess your standards are different.

are you 14?

12, but thanks for the compliment.
Are you saying that you think epic level wizards commonly fight fighters with daggers? Is that the hill you want to die on?

I'm saying it's an in-game cutscene that was made with the best they had at the time.
If you can't understand this... sorry you're stupid?

 

[mediocrepoet]

It's like asserting that someone who throws a few middling level spells and some apprentice level spells and then resorts to stabbing with a non-magical dagger before being gutted probably isn't a world bending power in most game worlds, especially not in high powered ones like the Forgotten Realms. I don't know, I guess your standards are different.

are you 14?

12, but thanks for the compliment.
Are you saying that you think epic level wizards commonly fight fighters with daggers? Is that the hill you want to die on?

I'm saying it's an in-game cutscene that was made with the best they had at the time.
If you can't understand this... sorry you're stupid?

The best they had. That's such a cope. You're saying they didn't have the manpower to implement continuing to fire magic missiles, or fire arrows, or fireballs, or anything... they showed a frail old man fighting for his life with a dagger... because of technical limitations.

 

[Non-Edgy Gamer]

For him, everything past lv 4 is "epic level"... He din't casted a single iconic mid level spell like stoneskin.

Sarevok closed the gap pretty quickly. You're also putting a lot of stock into a cutscene that's representational and the devs probably didn't want to go on forever.

Being able to kill or severely wound a red dragon is an epic feat, regardless. We are never told Gorion's level, so it's what we have to go on. Along with all of his Harper and Wizard connections, which mark him as a very well-connected figure who'd earned the loyalty of some of the most powerful people in Tamriel. Hardly a nobody.

Being Gorion's ward and growing up in Candlekeep isn't far from being Elminster's ward. How many nobody adventurers in a tavern just happen to have grown up in a place Khelben Blackstaff regularly visits?

Not sure why you're embarrassing yourself with this argument. It's like you're saying you want an "ordinary background", but also wouldn't mind starting in Avalon tutored by Merlin's step-brother.

I think your initial ignorance of the setting probably made you think of BG1 player backstory as more nondescript than it was.

And as someone who spended DECADES in candlekeep, he should know a few mid level spells. I'm not saying that he should be able to cast wish and stop time, but he should be around lv 9~12.

Why you would expect Gorion to cast time stop or any higher level spell whether he was level 12 or level 20? BG1 didn't have those spells in its code.

You're also still failing to understand that drama trumps accuracy in a cutscene.

The best they had. That's such a cope. You're saying they didn't have the manpower to implement continuing to fire magic missiles, or fire arrows, or fireballs, or anything... they showed a frail old man fighting for his life with a dagger... because of technical limitations.

Yes. If they had budget, it probably would have been a graphical cutscene instead of an in-game one. But they didn't.

And they probably didn't want a drawn out battle when they had a limited spell list to draw from and watching Sarevok whack Gorion over and over until his stoneskin spell wore off would have been idiotic.