Baldur's Gate Baldur's Gate 3 Early Access Thread [GAME RELEASED, GO TO NEW THREAD]

[HammyTheFat]

A.k.a. the Viconia Arc

Did Viconia ever stop actually being evil or was she just less of a cunt around you? I think she changed alignment but it's been so long. I need to replay BG2.

 

[NecroLord]

A.k.a. the Viconia Arc

Did Viconia ever stop actually being evil or was she just less of a cunt around you? I think she changed alignment but it's been so long. I need to replay BG2.

Apparently, you have to romance her and pick the dialogue options that are good. In Throne of Bhaal, she can even change her alignment.

 

[Cat Headed Eagle]

A.k.a. the Viconia Arc

Did Viconia ever stop actually being evil or was she just less of a cunt around you? I think she changed alignment but it's been so long. I need to replay BG2.

If you romance her, you reach a point where she changes her alignment to Neutral. However, that same ending has her dying after being poisoned by an assassin years later. So Vico might be canonically dead in the BG world.

 

[Volourn]

She'd a priestess if Shar. Dies that change when she changes slignment? If not, it's a fake change as Shar is as evil as Lloth.

 

[Gargaune]

She'd a priestess if Shar. Dies that change when she changes slignment? If not, it's a fake change as Shar is as evil as Lloth.

I was about to invoke the One Step Rule, but it seems that wasn't a thing in 2E? Looking over the respective stats, Shar is Neutral Evil but her Worshipper Alignments appear to include all options, while at the same time, the Church of Shar is restricted to Any Evil.

For reference, I also looked at Helm - he's Lawful Neutral, his Worshipper Alignments are Any Good, Lawful Neutral, True Neutral or Chaotic Neutral, whereas members of his Church can only be Lawful Good, Lawful Neutral or True Neutral.

So yes, if this is accurate, you're correct that a Neutral Viconia couldn't carry on as a priestess of Shar.

 

[Nano]

I think I've heard Viconia converts to Helm's church. Never done it myself because redemption is lame and I want people to be as bitter and cruel-hearted as me.

 

[Multi-headed Cow]

Is that the infamous Imoen Romance Mod?

It is, though sadly she doesn't approve of evil characters so the extent of the romance is jerking off to the memory of her while she's being tortured in Spellhold and Vicky saying she could be my sister for the night. Had I been thinking correctly I would've juiced Imoen to resurrect Sarevok in ToB and then edited his portrait to stick a wig on him and have him wear purple armor but hindsight's 20/20.

 

[NecroLord]

I think I've heard Viconia converts to Helm's church.

What?
I think she still stays to the faith of Shar, even after redeeming her through the healing power of cock.

 

[Volourn]

Which as posted means she is still actually evil. Shar is evil and so are her priests. Some random peon can issue a random prayer her way but not an actual representative of her power. Bioware never seemed to care about these facts. The same thing with Minsc being able to cast ranger spells despite having less wisdom than a rock. A rock fukkin knows it is best to stay out if a rainstorm. Minsk dies not. It is why he's popular. People love dumbfucks.

 

[NecroLord]

Which as posted means she is still actually evil. Shar is evil and so are her priests. Some random peon can tissue a random prayer her way but not an actual representative of her power. Broward never seemed to care about these facts. The same thing with Minsc beubgbable to cast ranger spells despite having less wisdom than a rock. A rock fukkin knows it is best to stay out if a rainstorm. Minsk dies not. It is why he's popular. People love dumbfucks.

 

[Kem0sabe]

Playing through the early access and another thing that's been bothering me is how small scale it is. Every faction, quest, it's all 10 meters from each other, makes no sense story wise for everything to be this compact.

 

[Gromoer]

Playing through the early access and another thing that's been bothering me is how small scale it is. Every faction, quest, it's all 10 meters from each other, makes no sense story wise for everything to be this compact.

Yes, one of the biggest downsides.

 

[Reinhardt]

you don't like theme parks?!

 

[Alienman]

Playing through the early access and another thing that's been bothering me is how small scale it is. Every faction, quest, it's all 10 meters from each other, makes no sense story wise for everything to be this compact.

That is why hub areas are so much better. Divinity also felt like a theme park.

 

[Kem0sabe]

For all the issues dragon age inquisition had, the expansiveness of it's zones was amazing to see.

BG3 really feels like a small theme park

 

[Tuco Benedicto Pacifico]

Playing through the early access and another thing that's been bothering me is how small scale it is. Every faction, quest, it's all 10 meters from each other, makes no sense story wise for everything to be this compact.

Yeah, we call it the "diorama world" or "diorama effect" on the official forum.

 

[Cat Headed Eagle]

For all the issues dragon age inquisition had, the expansiveness of it's zones was amazing to see.

Strongly disagree. A vast empty region with... absolutely nothing in there to see or interact with (not even an item for your collectathon) is extremely boring. I spent a lot of time just pushing forward without even looking at the screen and nothing happened. For minutes that felt like hours. I'd rather have small areas with lots of content than vasts regions of nothingness.

 

[Rhobar121]

I would also add a crappy mob respawn system when you load the game (usually on your back) plus of course the amount of hp like in an mmo.
Exploration was probably the worst system in DA:I.
I prefer a small compact map with something to do instead of huge empty spaces.

 

[Hace El Oso]

Strongly disagree. A vast empty region with... absolutely nothing in there to see or interact with (not even an item for your collectathon) is extremely boring. I spent a lot of time just pushing forward without even looking at the screen and nothing happened. For minutes that felt like hours. I'd rather have small areas with lots of content than vasts regions of nothingness.

Giving a sense of real scale to the world and engaging the spatial sense of the player is a requirement for even attempting to make a good RPG. If you want to cover territory like BG/Fallout, then you either have areas on a world map with travel time between them or you go open world like Witcher 3. Otherwise, set your game in a naturally compact environment that lets you off the hook.

 

[Cryomancer]

the expansiveness of it's zones was amazing to see.

Most empty places with very menial "chore-esque" tasks to do.

With open world design, you either have quality(eg - g1/2) or quantity(eg - g3); the unique exception is UnderRail which is exceptional in both aspects. UR also has the best armor mechanic in a turn based game(dos2 has the worst).

absolutely nothing in there to see or interact with

There is a sweetspot between crowded theme park and a game where you need to wait for hours to find anything to do.

 

[Fedora Master]

ITT people admitting to playing DAI
Why am I not surprised

 

[ERYFKRAD]

ITT people admitting to playing DAI
Why am I not surprised

Hey, it's not their fault you keep bumping this thread and reminding everyone that this game exists.

 

[NJClaw]

ITT people admitting to playing DAI
Why am I not surprised

I played DAI to pick up a girl and it wasn't worth it (neither the game nor the girl)

 

[Heroic Liberator]

the expansiveness of it's zones was amazing to see.

Most empty places with very menial "chore-esque" tasks to do.

I think that the devs made a big mistake with how they structured the early game. The open world content of DAI is nothing worth bragging about (being MMO tier busywork for the most part), but Inquisition certainly doesn't do itself any favors by dropping you into the Hinterlands once the game opens up and leaving you with the feeling that you should be focusing on that zone before advancing the plot further. It can easily lead to burnout and it just keep reemphasizing to the player the low quality filler nature of the open world content instead of providing it piecemeal between the more narrative heavy stuff as for it not to become unbearable.

 

[NecroLord]

I played DAI to pick up a girl and it wasn't worth it (neither the game nor the girl)

Bad move, homie.
Gigachads get bitches while playing games like Doom (and Hell on Earth) and going to the gym.