Baldur's Gate Baldur's Gate 3 RELEASE THREAD

[Fedora Master]

I'm also questioning the usefulness of

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a crown of command of a size that would fit a massive Elder Brain, Netherese magic or not.

 

[NecroLord]

Illithids

Centering the main plot around them is a sin in itself tbh. Having had spoiled myself of the endings, I just find them lame. Particularly the evil ones,

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Where you get to mindcontrol the tadpole infected people (and going by the standard endings, you can't have companions remaining loyal to you by their own free will) and command over an army of cheesy octopus-headed people - also mind controlled, naturally. Which is a big meh as far as evil power fantasies go imho.

That and you can also choose to become Bhaal's eternal slave on top of that if you go Dark Urge (which is extremely lame compared to ToB's ending choice of becoming a god proper).

Game otherwise seems decent thus far, but there doesn't seem to be too much content catered towards LE playthroughs. Case in point, you can't even pick someone vanilla like Asmodeus for a LE deity as a cleric (not to mention Bane since Larian couldn't be bothered to add reactivity for worshipping one of the Dead Three), so you're stuck with racial gods for that. And speaking of evil playthroughs in general, seems that Minthara is nowhere near a properly fleshed out companion which is extremely lame.

Pretty much all the FR deities are fucking retarded. WAY too many deities, also not helping the fact that they are always trying to outdick each other.
Greyhawk had better deities, which represented more ideas, concepts and moral values, rarely bothering mortals and intervening in their lives.
The deities which I rather like are Bane, Tempus, Cyric (FR version of Loki), Torm and Bhaal himself (strong contender for the title of the most evil piece of shit deity, either him or Cyric).
Wish BG3 would've fleshed out the classes more.

Don't forget that every race has their own special snowflake deities either.

That's true.
They also had them in Greyhawk.
But, like I said, Greyhawk is just better in all aspects.

 

[JamesDixon]

That's true.
They also had them in Greyhawk.
But, like I said, Greyhawk is just better in all aspects.

That's because it's Saint Gary's world and he did everything better than Ed "Degenerate" Greenwood.

 

[Heroic Liberator]

Ideally, every character should've been allowed to pick a deity and have some optional dialogue fluff for it. And clerics could've had some extra fluff beyond that given their particular relationship with said deities (and likewise with patrons for warlocks).

I mean, ideally you shouldn't even be able to pick up levels in Warlock to multiclass, unless you actually make a pact with a demon, as an in game quest. But we might be asking too much.

Ofc, but it is what it is. I'm content with the amount of fluff I get as a cleric tbh, expectations tempered and all that.

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Only discontent with the deity rooster that they went for.

 

[NecroLord]

Speaking of clerics and gods - has anyone played a cleric as of yet? Wondering how the deity choice reactivity is in this game, apart from Selune for obvious reasons, Pathfinder WotR had it pretty decent.

Early Act 3:
My god, this story is retarded beyond words.

More detail please, objective analysis is always helpful

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Stilll stuck in act 1

None of the plot points respect Mindflayer lore whatsoever. They completely failed to understand what Illithids are and how they work.

Can you please elaborate? I already finished the game, so you don't have to worry about spoiling anything.

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Mindflayers are not individuals. Not in any real sense. They can't just "break free" all of a sudden, regardless of what their host organism might have felt. They utterly replace the personality of the host. There are some outliers that do things forbidden in their society, like studying magic, but ultimately they are all controlled by the Elder Brain. The Emperor could not possibly exist. Any sign of retained memories from the host is abominable to an Illithid and they go so far as to operate on their own brains to expunge them. Certainly no random low level Illithid can just up and "leave" his colony, to say nothing of running around Baldur's Gate.

Orpheus is also clearly an invention of Larian. The name alone is retarded.

Looks like a lot of this idiocy came from Volos Guide for 5E, which is hardly surprising. I guess even Illithids can't be Always Evil anymore.

Yeah, about the "break free" part, the Emperor didn't break free on its own. The Emperor is actually Balduran - yeah, the Balduran who founded Baldur's Gate - and he was once infected by the mind flayer colony in Moonrise Towers and only broke free because Ansur, a dragon ally of Balduran, broke him free.

As to the other part, that being mind flayer individuality, Larian didn't invent that either, they exist outside BG3, at least just by glancing at some of the online wiki stuff I came across. But the hosts retaining memories - I can look past that for the player character and companions due to this being special tadpoles and the Emperor giving you even more specialized tadpoles, but yeah, I remember reading that basically the host is completely obliterated, along with their soul, once the tadpole reaches a certain point in ceremorphosis.

Fuck these people. Holy fucking shit.

I'm not a fan of the first spoiler either. I feel like they tried too hard to cram in too many relevant characters from the past / setting in Baldur's Gate 3, so their presence just feels off, as in forced.

The deities which I rather like are Bane, Tempus, Cyric (FR version of Loki), Torm and Bhaal himself (strong contender for the title of the most evil piece of shit deity, either him or Cyric).

Why Bane? As for the contest between Bhaal and Cyric, Cyric clearly had the bigger impact on the world, what with the Spellplague and everything. Bhaal just has the cool title of being the Lord of Murder, but otherwise, it's surprising how that religion even stays relevant given how everyone would just kill the clergy and the believers due to them being so damn incompatible with any sort of sensible society, evil aligned or not. At least Bane and Myrkul can have a clergy that's accepted somewhat in the wider world, Bhaal's just too fucking edgy.

Bhaal. You know, the evil god of ritual murder and blood? Clerics were supposed to murder someone every few days.

 

[Fedora Master]

The reactivity is a meme. There is no reactivity beyond the player occasionally getting Advantage on a roll. Certainly no NPC is going to call you out for being one class or another.

Most of the game was advertisement memes and nothing else. Does your choice of dick matter? Of course not.

 

[Berengar]

That's true.
They also had them in Greyhawk.
But, like I said, Greyhawk is just better in all aspects.

That's because it's Saint Gary's world and he did everything better than Ed "Degenerate" Greenwood.

I know you're an incendiary personality around here and a lot of people quote you to talk shit, but I'm just genuinely curious about this cus I'm ignorant of it. What's with the Greenwood hate? I don't know much about the guy

 

[NecroLord]

I see BG3 is ripping off Cyberpunk 2077 in the Cock customization department.

 

[Fedora Master]

That's true.
They also had them in Greyhawk.
But, like I said, Greyhawk is just better in all aspects.

That's because it's Saint Gary's world and he did everything better than Ed "Degenerate" Greenwood.

I know you're an incendiary personality around here and a lot of people quote you to talk shit, but I'm just genuinely curious about this cus I'm ignorant of it. What's with the Greenwood hate? I don't know much about the guy

Greenwood has an incredibly beneficial contract with Wizards of the Coast so he's free to make whatever sex shit he wants canon. Faerun is his Magical Realm.

 

[JamesDixon]

That's true.
They also had them in Greyhawk.
But, like I said, Greyhawk is just better in all aspects.

That's because it's Saint Gary's world and he did everything better than Ed "Degenerate" Greenwood.

I know you're an incendiary personality around here and a lot of people quote you to talk shit, but I'm just genuinely curious about this cus I'm ignorant of it. What's with the Greenwood hate? I don't know much about the guy

I'm not incendiary. I'm blunt. I'm also the type of person that will treat you how you treat me. If you notice that all the people I was harsh to were harsh first. I rarely lash out at people for no reason.

Forgotten Degeneracy was purchased to remove Saint Gary from getting royalties from his setting of Greyhawk and made the default setting.

On a related note Lorraine Williams wanted to have AD&D 2E written in attempt to remove Saint Gary from getting royalties and credit for D&D. David Zeb Cook left in the acknowledgements that Gary and Dave created the game. He also was appointed by Gary to head the AD&D 2E committee to revise the rules for a new edition.

Ed is a degenerate and was only kept in check by the TSR Code of Ethics. Once that was removed he let all sorts of freaky shit into his setting like humans mating with demons for fun etc... Wizards of the Woke is now controlled by the very same degenerates that Ed is. This is why you got the shit you have now in D&D.

 

[Clockwork Knight]

Wizards of the Woke

Red Wizards of Ghay

 

[Herumor]

Ideally, every character should've been allowed to pick a deity and have some optional dialogue fluff for it. And clerics could've had some extra fluff beyond that given their particular relationship with said deities (and likewise with patrons for warlocks).

I mean, ideally you shouldn't even be able to pick up levels in Warlock to multiclass, unless you actually make a pact with a demon, as an in game quest. But we might be asking too much.

Ofc, but it is what it is. I'm content with the amount of fluff I get as a cleric tbh, expectations tempered and all that.

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Only discontent with the deity rooster that they went for.

Sorry to disappoint you, but the second screenshot happens to Shadowheart as well, so it's not unique to your particular deity choice.

 

[Fedora Master]

Ideally, every character should've been allowed to pick a deity and have some optional dialogue fluff for it. And clerics could've had some extra fluff beyond that given their particular relationship with said deities (and likewise with patrons for warlocks).

I mean, ideally you shouldn't even be able to pick up levels in Warlock to multiclass, unless you actually make a pact with a demon, as an in game quest. But we might be asking too much.

Ofc, but it is what it is. I'm content with the amount of fluff I get as a cleric tbh, expectations tempered and all that.

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Only discontent with the deity rooster that they went for.

Sorry to disappoint you, but the second screenshot happens to Shadowheart as well, so it's not unique to your particular deity choice.

The game seems only to differentiate between Good and Bad deities.

 

[JamesDixon]

Wizards of the Woke

Red Wizards of Ghay

You say Tomatoe and I say Tomatah.

 

[dukeofwoodberry]

Arcane Trickster:​

Mage Hand Legerdemain: When you cast Mage Hand, the spectral hand is *invisible and can carry out additional tasks*.

Magical Ambush: While you are Hidden, your targets have Disadvantage on Saving Throws against your Spells.

Spell Thief Longbow SPELLTHIEF​ UNCOMMON MAGIC WEAPON ​ 1D8 PIERCING​ Arcana Vehemence: Once per Short Rest, you regain a Level 1 Spell slot when you land a critical hit with the Spellthief Main Hand Only Brace (Ranged) Proficiency unlocks Piercing Shot Longbow Two-Handed 18m

Longbow ability Brace EFFECT​ BRACE (RANGED)​ Applies Braced Spend 7.5m of your movement speed. For the rest of your turn, your Damage Rolls for your Ranged Weapon Have Advantage, but you can't move. Recharge: Once per short rest.
Elven Weapon Training: You gain Proficiency in the following: Longswords, Shortswords, Longbows, Shortbows

Astarion: *Elf* Rogue



Looks like its time to make an honest woman out of Shadowheart and I know just the man for the job.

Mage Hand legerdemain is bugged and doesn't do anything different than regular Mage hand

 

[Heroic Liberator]

Sorry to disappoint you, but the second screenshot happens to Shadowheart as well, so it's not unique to your particular deity choice.

I'm aware that they're not always unique. Already played with a Duergar cleric and some evil cleric options do indeed overlap. Which is not great, but eh. Could be worse.

Much more annoyed that there's no selectable Dead Three (Bhaal in particular due to the Dark Urge origin being a thing, but also Bane for vanilla LE deity besides the likes of Asmodeus... which is also absent) given how they tie in with the plot. That should demand greater reactivity, not less (or zero as is the case with BG3 with Larian scrapping them entirely despite them being selectable in early access, presumably because it proved too much work to do them justice).

 

[Fedora Master]

Why is Myrkul even there, I ate that fucker a few centuries ago in Rashemen.

 

[Herumor]

Much more annoyed that there's no selectable Dead Three (Bhaal in particular due to the Dark Urge origin being a thing, but also Bane for vanilla LE deity besides the likes of Asmodeus... which is also absent) given how they tie in with the plot. That should demand greater reactivity, not less (or zero as is the case with BG3 with Larian scrapping them entirely despite them being selectable in early access, presumably because it proved too much work to do them justice).

The odd thing is, if you were to download the last patch of early access build of the game, Bhaal was an option for cleric deity. Can't remember if Bane and Myrkul were, but they probably were there too. I expect to see this kind of content brought in for some kind of definitive edition, like Divinity Original Sin 2 got.

Why is Myrkul even there, I ate that fucker a few centuries ago in Rashemen.

That was such a satisfying moment. Got fucked over by his own creation. Also, great theme:

 

[Desiderius]

In other words, WotC created diversity deliberately in Faerun so we could setup stories about "racism".

No? You could have stories about racism with just dwarfs, orcs, elves and their half-equivalents.
The devil-people, dragon-people and space lizard people were added, because its cool and fun to have more toys to play with.
I think you are letting your confirmation bias fool you here, and you are seeing your political enemies in a place where you should be seeing just a new lineup of toys being sold.

Political? With what polis? The ringers are here to rig the game altogether against both sides of the electorate. Technocracy doesn’t want mere citizens sticking our noses where they don’t belong. Left and Right take their names from wings of a National Assembly that was overthrown altogether by murderous Bolshie types.

Many such cases.

Immigration is a Republic vs Empire issue. It’s about whether there can be a political process at all and where the sovereignty it establishes lies.

 

[AwesomeButton]

Wait I picked a paladin and didn't choose my deity. Don't I get one or something?

Paladins serve an oath, Clerics serve a God.

That's pretty oversimplified to put it mildly.

Teenage sweethearts also serve oaths. A paladin's oath should be to a god. Conversely, since when do clerics not swear oaths to their gods?

The whole concept of Paladins not serving in a military order established by a church is a cheap and badly thought out retcon.

 

[Grauken]

Cool, calm, and collected.

Don't feel like you are special, he does that to everyone.

Not to me, put me on ignore long ago. Just make him so mad his head almost explodes and you're rid of him (which is really easy, the guy must get angry at random people on the street)

 

[AwesomeButton]

Wait I picked a paladin and didn't choose my deity. Don't I get one or something?

They are just baiting you to headcanon your deity and embed it into your RPing with their stupid 5e shit.

 

[whydoibother]

Wait I picked a paladin and didn't choose my deity. Don't I get one or something?

They are just baiting you to headcanon your deity and embed it into your RPing with their stupid 5e shit.

They are just baiting him to pick Shadowheart's feet as his deity, like all dignified gentlemen gamers.

 

[Grauken]

Wait I picked a paladin and didn't choose my deity. Don't I get one or something?

They are just baiting you to headcanon your deity and embed it into your RPing with their stupid 5e shit.

They are just baiting him to pick Shadowheart's feet as his deity, like all dignified gentlemen gamers.

Not everyone is JarlFrank

 

[whydoibother]

Wait I picked a paladin and didn't choose my deity. Don't I get one or something?

They are just baiting you to headcanon your deity and embed it into your RPing with their stupid 5e shit.

They are just baiting him to pick Shadowheart's feet as his deity, like all dignified gentlemen gamers.

Not everyone is JarlFrank

He is the grandmaster of the order, but we have barracks in every major city in the realm.