Blizzard announced "Classic" World of Warcraft

[volklore]

Anyway, vanilla raiding was designed with preparation/numbers>action so I don't see the ''one button'' single target rotations being an issue. Would gameplay really be better if every class had a couple GCD prio ability with 6-8 second cooldown, a GCD filler ability and a debuff to keep up ?

I don't play DPS, so I don't have any idea what DPS players find fun.

Let's just say I never heard any complaints from the best DPS players in my guild, i.e those who were topping/doing very well in the overall damage done (including trash). I am assuming it's because they took the raid as a whole rather than a boss gauntlet simulator and tried to push their class on every encounter using their CDs on trash when possible. Again I am talking about an average guild who raids for fun and bantz/competition within the guild not a guild focused on parsing or speedrunning which is quite different and definitely not the majority of players.

 

[Sarathiour]

They removed down-ranking?

You don't use different spell ranks as a Paladin. If you are the designated Flash of Light spammer, you spam rank 1 FoL. If you are the designated Holy Light spammer, you spam rank 4 iirc. The one with the full +healing coefficient, I think it was rank 4. The only healer on which using different ranks makes sense is Priest and even then it's basically pointless to do so after getting some gear going. As for whether this was the case in original vanilla, who cares? Original vanilla hasn't been a thing for almost 20 years.

You don't downrank with a paladin because the mana cost get refunded on crit, so you generally don't have mana issue. Priest on the other side does dowwrank their spell, especially their version of flash of light.
Never played healer on horde side, so dunno for shaman, and druid are objectively sub-optimal healer, but this will get me in another argument with someone coping about vanilla mechanism, completely missing the point that balance and optimal composition knowledge had nothing to do back then with today's turbo autism.

In my mind, what kills MMO was all the information, spreadsheet and optimal farm route becoming widely available.

 

[Lacrymas]

Paladins don't have mana issues because they spam rank 1 flash of light ;d Vanilla doesn't have enough +crit gear for illumination to make much sense and rely on it. There are essentially 3 ways to heal as a Paladin. Rank 1 FoL spam, Rank 4 Holy Light spam or max rank Holy Light spam. Both holy light spammers are essentially the same person, depending on the situation, but you'll mostly be using rank 4. You funnel every possible +crit gear to the Holy Light spammer, everything else goes to the other one. Even then, you will run out of mana eventually if you spam max rank HL. And you designate 1 person to judge Light.

 

[frajaq]

I'm treating this Season just like a PoE league, aka give it a fair shot and if I dont find it fun, just drop it and go do something else

 

[Lacrymas]

Except it's a season you have to pay a sub for to try out.

 

[Reever]

Except it's a season you have to pay a sub for to try out.

Yup, that's my problem as well. Might as well play Ascension or an actual Classic+ like TurtleWoW that adds meaningful content.

 

[Cryomancer]

I only subbed in wow once, in last year. Will I gonna lost my lv 72 frost mage and lv 76 affliction warlock when Cata is launched? Because I played in private servers vanilla, tbc, wotlk and cataclysm. Liked every expansion except cata. Like Warlocks at lv 10 with felguards, a demon which not even high level warlocks in vanilla could permanently control and only very high level fully dedicated demonologists could control in TBC. The lack of class quests, reagents for spells and so on. Not menitoning all wokeness.

When I'm using the soul which I stole from a creature to summon a demon, the most important thing is to be politically correct, hence instead of "enslave demon", is now "subjulgate demon which is pure BS.

 

[Late Bloomer]

Will I gonna lost my lv 72 frost mage and lv 76 affliction warlock when Cata is launched?

Nope

 

[lvl 2 Blue Slime]

I don't like the old zone changes in Cata. I know Cata added some much needed new quests to vanilla zones, but I hated how they changed them. Like flooding Thousand Needles.

 

[Cryomancer]

Everything is shit in Cata

• Low lv warlocks dominating high level demons
• The dumbing down of talent trees
• Enemies aren't a threat to players
• No more tiers for skills
• No more reagents for spells
• No more quest specific quests with unique rewards like warlock quests
• Armor design become even worse
• Till WotLK, each expansion was implementing new abilities and interesting talents. Cata was the first expansion to start to remove fun stuff instead of giving more fun stuff.

 

[Reever]

I wonder if they're going to go pre-nerf route. I remember at launch Cata's endgame being somewhat hard (for pug standards at least) especially compared to the snorefest that was wotlk. Healers actually had to think about which type of heal to use and preserve their mana, tank couldn't just aoe pull the whole instance etc. Which resulted in constant bitching on the forums and as a result Blizzard caved and basically did a blanket nerf over everything.

 

[Cyberarmy]

Yeah, Cata's dungeons were not pushovers, many parties wiped because they still pulled multiple groups like in WotLK.

 

[Cryomancer]

Ideally, Blizzard could just put Cata dungeons and raids in wotlk and ignore the rest of Cata which is pure TRASH!!!

 

[Lacrymas]

Not entirely. If you are a healer, Cata is probably the best expansion past TBC. Healing is quantified by a ratio of mana to speed to numbers healed and Cata is considered to be the slowest expansion in this context (the slowest healing has ever been in WoW's entire run actually), which means all types of healing get to shine and mana management is extremely important on top of that. That is in direct opposition to WotLK, where only disc (or disc-heavy holy) Priests and holy Paladins are viable, there is no time for Druids and Shamans to shine due to their healing style apart from very select fights with constant, low raid-wide damage like Sapphiron (in which Priests with Empowered Renew are still the best anyway). Putting Cata dungeons and raids in WotLK will destroy that.

 

[KazikluBey]

Not entirely. If you are a healer, Cata is probably the best expansion past TBC. Healing is quantified by a ratio of mana to speed to numbers healed and Cata is considered to be the slowest expansion in this context (the slowest healing has ever been in WoW's entire run actually), which means all types of healing get to shine and mana management is extremely important on top of that. That is in direct opposition to WotLK, where only disc (or disc-heavy holy) Priests and holy Paladins are viable, there is no time for Druids and Shamans to shine due to their healing style apart from very select fights with constant, low raid-wide damage like Sapphiron (in which Priests with Empowered Renew are still the best anyway). Putting Cata dungeons and raids in WotLK will destroy that.

Nothing slow about shaman healing in WotLK, and Chain heal is a smart heal which chooses a needy target to jump to. I haven't really tried thinking too hard on optimal comps, but on Warmane's Lordaeron the basic 25-man healer comp people go for in ICC is 2 paladins, 2 shamans, 1 disco (before you start 4 or 3 (pala/shaman/disco) healing). Also, give me the rogue energy/DK runic power/etc you get from a resto druid over Empowered Renew any day.

 

[Late Bloomer]

Getting tired of areas you have already quested at in the overland part of a zone being repurposed as an instanced dungeon. Its lazy and uninteresting. Been going on for far to long in a variety of MMO's.

 

[Lacrymas]

Nothing slow about shaman healing in WotLK, and Chain heal is a smart heal which chooses a needy target to jump to. I haven't really tried thinking too hard on optimal comps, but on Warmane's Lordaeron the basic 25-man healer comp people go for in ICC is 2 paladins, 2 shamans, 1 disco (before you start 4 or 3 (pala/shaman/disco) healing). Also, give me the rogue energy/DK runic power/etc you get from a resto druid over Empowered Renew any day.

Low health targets get sniped immediately, so there's little room for chain heal to do any substantial healing. You'll only get good healing as a shaman if your priests and paladins suck. As for resto druid over Empowered Renew, almost nobody needs extra resources due to WotLK's design philosophy and it's better to bring another Priest with ER for those fights where it makes sense for it. Druids are notoriously shit healers in WotLK due to the meta. WotLK is not fun for healers at all, the only engaging one is a heavy-disc holy hybrid priest because straight-up holy priests suck.

 

[Hydro]

What would be the best way to enjoy the pre BC WoW nowadays?

 

[Cryomancer]

What would be the best way to enjoy the pre BC WoW nowadays?

I would say private servers. They also don't have the wokization of Blizzard. There are genders instead of body types in char creation...

 

[ADL]

What would be the best way to enjoy the pre BC WoW nowadays?

Classic+ because having a finite end to a MMORPG is a complete waste of time. Also 1.12's class (im)balance is horrible.

 

[blessed king of longing]

What would be the best way to enjoy the pre BC WoW nowadays?

I would say private servers. They also don't have the wokization of Blizzard. There are genders instead of body types in char creation...

those servers are all either ran by retarded grifting third worlders or just plain old retarded third worlders. they also lie about population numbers and also make deals with chinese gold sellers to make money under the table. any vanilla server that opens inevitably becomes a ghost tong long before the final content hits, and an mmo isn't an mmo when there's nobody to play with

 

[Dr1f7]

I would say private servers. They also don't have the wokization of Blizzard. There are genders instead of body types in char creation...

those servers are all either ran by retarded grifting third worlders or just plain old retarded third worlders. they also lie about population numbers and also make deals with chinese gold sellers to make money under the table. any vanilla server that opens inevitably becomes a ghost tong long before the final content hits, and an mmo isn't an mmo when there's nobody to play with

$.001 has been added to your battle.net balance

 

[Cryomancer]

those servers are all either ran by retarded grifting third worlders or just plain old retarded third worlders.

Call me crazy but I like it more than a server run by Baizuos that change gender for body types...

 

[Just Locus]

I just recently started playing WoW vanilla and am gonna play through the expansions when I can, but I've seen many codexers discuss their times playing WoW vanilla back in 2004-2006, and I'd like to hear about it, since this game has piqued my interest a lot and I would be lying if I said I wasn't getting addicted since starting two days ago lol.

 

[Lyric Suite]

I remember the first thing that shocked me about Catha is that the writing in the quests etc was way worse. Now let that sink in for a second.