Cain on Games - Tim Cain's new YouTube channel

[SlightlyRadioactive]

Fallout has a history of unreliable narrators.

Now that's just a plain lie, there isn't anything in any of the games that might suggest that their events might be something else other than the objective truth.

I actually liked the show mostly, but Tim is clearly pushing it too far with his shilling.

 

[Sibelius]

The point Tim made about Vault-Tec maybe planning to launch the first nuke, but never actually getting the opportunity to do it as China or the US beat them to it gave me pause. It actually makes sense (in the context of an overall senseless story), why else would the Vault-Tec exec allow her daughter and husband to be at a birthday party when they dropped? The show was completely retarded though, some of the most illogical and plain stupid writing I have ever seen.

 

[Roguey]

Tim Cope.

"Noo, Vault Tec didn't launch the nuke! The chalkboard's timeline was unreliable! Even if I'm wrong, all the previous games also retcon aspects of their previous ones!"

 

[Devastator]

Tl;DR, no rambling: He likes it.

Cain can fuck off.

He publicly expressed his dislike for part of the direction Fallout 2 took, namely criticizing its excessive humor and frequent pop culture references.

The show exemplifies this issue to the fullest. Fallout 1 had a cool atmosphere of desolation like Dark Souls 1. The show feels like transforming Fallout 1 into Teletubbies. Therefore, claiming to enjoy the series comes across as highly disingenuous.

He played a significant role in creating one of the greatest RPGs of all time. Rather than taking pride in that accomplishment and acknowledging Bethesda killed Fallout, he kneels down and sucks Bethesda's rod with 16 times the detail.

It's almost like John Carmack kneeling down to praise Fortnite.
("John Carmack - totally supportive of Doom Slayer in Fortnite!")

Fucking shills.

 

[NecroLord]

Tim Cain's a fucking retard lately it seems.
Fuck your Fallout show bitch, I AIN'T WATCHING THAT SHIT!!
He betrayed his true Fallout fans and the original Fallout.
There are no words for such a betrayal.

 

[NecroLord]

I like how some retards around here shit on Fallout 2 but go out of their way to DEFEND THIS PIECE OF SHIT SHOW AS IF IT WAS PART OF THE "ORIGINAL" FALLOUT VISION!!!
Clown world.

 

[Redshirt #42]

Korean fans are taking this one personally, I bet

Spoiler

The thumbnail, I mean

 

[Saint_Proverbius]

The point Tim made about Vault-Tec maybe planning to launch the first nuke, but never actually getting the opportunity to do it as China or the US beat them to it gave me pause.

No, it's like saying the 12 Parsec Kessel Run is because of the gravity anomalies. Vault-Tec deciding to drop a nuke makes no sense, since the end result would be the same. Something gets nuked in either nuclear power, they're going to blame the other amd scramble the bombers.

 

[AndyS]

Tim is a corporation's dream of an IP creator. Happy to carry water for whoever buys it out later, sticks up for later writers' choices, never demands credit or royalties. Just happy to be associated with it.

 

[NecroLord]

Tim is a corporation's dream of an IP creator. Happy to carry water for whoever buys it out later, sticks up for later writers' choices, never demands credit or royalties. Just happy to be associated with it.

In other words, he's a bitch.

 

[Zothique]

Tim just seems like he doesn't want to rock the boat for whatever reason. Probably hoping for a future "consulting" gig with Bethesda or some shit down the line.

 

[Naraya]

Tim just seems like he doesn't want to rock the boat for whatever reason. Probably hoping for a future "consulting" gig with Bethesda or some shit down the line.

Honestly, what he might gain by shitting on the show? Nothing. BY NOT shitting on it he can potentially gain quite a lot though.

 

[tommy heavenly6]

His viewing numbers for his YT channel went way up after the show, of course he's happy to shill it.

 

[Saint_Proverbius]

Honestly, what he might gain by shitting on the show? Nothing. BY NOT shitting on it he can potentially gain quite a lot though.

I tend to agree with this. That said, I think I would have chosen not to say anything beyond the story of going to the premiere.

 

[Butter]

Tim just seems like he doesn't want to rock the boat for whatever reason. Probably hoping for a future "consulting" gig with Bethesda or some shit down the line.

I think it's even gayer than that. I think he doesn't want to provide ammunition for Fallout fandom infighting.

 

[ds]

What he has to gain by honestly criticizing the show is integrity. Might not mean much to most people these days but that doesn't mean it is worthless.

Of course that's assuming that he doesn't actually like it. The Tim today is after all not the same Tim that created Fallout. He wouldn't be the first designer to no longer understand what he once created. It's not like he has been insulated from the current gamedev circus but instead has been bathing in shit for so long that he probably can't even smell it anymore.

 

[REhorror]

Humiliation ritual.

 

[NecroLord]

What he has to gain by honestly criticizing the show is integrity.

The faggot has no integrity left.
He sold it long time ago.

 

[Sibelius]

The point Tim made about Vault-Tec maybe planning to launch the first nuke, but never actually getting the opportunity to do it as China or the US beat them to it gave me pause.

No, it's like saying the 12 Parsec Kessel Run is because of the gravity anomalies. Vault-Tec deciding to drop a nuke makes no sense, since the end result would be the same. Something gets nuked in either nuclear power, they're going to blame the other amd scramble the bombers.

Hey, I'm not saying Vault-Tec's deciding to drop a nuke makes sense, I'm saying that Tim's theory that they planned to but got beaten to it makes sense. Vault-Tec dropping a nuke to be a monopoly of nothing and repopulate the world with management or whatever was probably the most retarded plot point in a sea of retarded plot points.

 

[Wesp5]

He wouldn't be the first designer to no longer understand what he once created.

I haven't seen the Fallout show yet, but that reminds me of the Alien and Terminator franchises...

 

[NecroLord]

but that reminds me of the Alien and Terminator franchises...

Because those franchises ended up in good hands.
Right?

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
Yeeeaah...

 

[Wesp5]

but that reminds me of the Alien and Terminator franchises...

Because those franchises ended up in good hands.
Right?

No, because their creators didn't understand their own creation years later and basically killed the franchises themselves.

 

[Saint_Proverbius]

I haven't seen the Fallout show yet, but that reminds me of the Alien and Terminator franchises...

I haven't seen it yet either. I've never really bought the whole, "But you haven't seen it yet!" argument to discredit someone's arguments against things to know that it's not for you. In fact, I was pretty turned off by the trailer. Bethesda has never been good when it comes to dealing with the Brotherhood of Steel and the flying Brotherhood knight that seemed to have all the weight of a helium balloon annoyed me. The lack of consistency in what the Brotherhood of Steel is really annoys me with Bethesda, and the trailer kind of demonstrated that they still don't know what way to go with the Brotherhood. About the only game since the original Fallout that I think did the Brotherhood of Steel decently was New Vegas.

Then I heard about the whole Shady Sands thing, and I completely nope'd out on the idea of ever watching it. Even if they didn't buttfuck the time line with it, I still wouldn't watch a show where they nuked the capitol of the NCR just so that show could happen. The NCR was well in to establsihing itself in Fallout 2, and it was still fairly lawless. But if you wanted something more chaotic, why not set it earlier than Fallout 2? Why completely rape the NCR for a TV series? Or even future games if they're going with that? Sorry, but that's a big "FUCK YOU!" from me on that.

 

[NecroLord]

I haven't seen the Fallout show yet, but that reminds me of the Alien and Terminator franchises...

I haven't seen it yet either. I've never really bought the whole, "But you haven't seen it yet!" argument to discredit someone's arguments against things to know that it's not for you. In fact, I was pretty turned off by the trailer. Bethesda has never been good when it comes to dealing with the Brotherhood of Steel and the flying Brotherhood knight that seemed to have all the weight of a helium balloon annoyed me. The lack of consistency in what the Brotherhood of Steel is really annoys me with Bethesda, and the trailer kind of demonstrated that they still don't know what way to go with the Brotherhood. About the only game since the original Fallout that I think did the Brotherhood of Steel decently was New Vegas.

Then I heard about the whole Shady Sands thing, and I completely nope'd out on the idea of ever watching it. Even if they didn't buttfuck the time line with it, I still wouldn't watch a show where they nuked the capitol of the NCR just so that show could happen. The NCR was well in to establsihing itself in Fallout 2, and it was still fairly lawless. But if you wanted something more chaotic, why not set it earlier than Fallout 2? Why completely rape the NCR for a TV series? Or even future games if they're going with that? Sorry, but that's a big "FUCK YOU!" from me on that.

You are now my bro.

 

[Wesp5]

I still wouldn't watch a show where they nuked the capitol of the NCR just so that show could happen.

So that didn't happen in any of the newer Fallout games? In that case it really is stupid, just as much as killing of the New Republic in the Star Wars sequels only to repeat the story of the original movies.