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Cain on Games - Tim Cain's new YouTube channel

Roguey

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No actual discussion of games, just 10 minutes of lib-midwittery from a guy who can't understand why people disagree with him.

Every system has trade-offs. There are a lot of people who have problems with the health care systems in the UK and Canada. I've spoken with a bong recently who believed that their personal experience with an uncaring, negligent staff is due to the "conservative" government, as if simply spending more will surely make things better. Over in Canada, people will go to the emergency room for headaches because making a doctor's appointment will put you at the end of an incredibly long list. The Canadian government recently decided that encouraging their own citizens to commit suicide is more financially feasible than treating them. The United States has a different set of problems, and most people here would rather have the problems they're familiar with than the problems these other countries have. A switch would be better for some, and much worse for others.
 

NecroLord

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Letting a bunch of nerds do their own thing truly can be a recipe for success.
Now it's just constant corpo shit...
 

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I only listened with half an ear, but did he say Fargo was badmouthing him to the competition? Epic :lol:
He refused to name names but someone at Interplay succeeded in blacklisting the Troika three, forcing them to make their own company.

Some publisher guy also yelled at Tim for working in C and not C++

Tim liked Sierra and wished he could have made more games for them if not for their financial difficulties.

Interplay sent three legal threats, and after the last one Cain got a good lawyer to threaten them right back. They also lost the Fallout code and asked Tim if he still had it (they ended up finding it on one of their old machines).
 

Axioms

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Some people might not know this but you can still view lots of old mid 90s Usenet content about Interplay and Tim Cain including responses by community managers regarding Tim leaving during development of Fallout 2. And also lots of random posts by Tim himself, many about the GURPS RPG and his GNW(GNW's Not Windows) windowing system.
 

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Grab the Codex by the pussy Strap Yourselves In Enjoy the Revolution! Another revolution around the sun that is.
Some people might not know this but you can still view lots of old mid 90s Usenet content about Interplay and Tim Cain including responses by community managers regarding Tim leaving during development of Fallout 2. And also lots of random posts by Tim himself, many about the GURPS RPG and his GNW(GNW's Not Windows) windowing system.
https://www.usenetarchives.com/threads.php?id=alt.games.interplay&y=0&r=0&p=1
https://www.usenetarchives.com/threads.php?id=alt.games.interplay.freespace&y=0&r=0&p=1

This what you're talking about?

Edit: https://www.usenetarchives.com/view...Q5YjNmLjI1NTcxNzQ1NUBlbmV3cy5uZXdzZ3V5LmNvbT4

Look at that, history happening! And also people bitching about the time limit.
 

Nano

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Grab the Codex by the pussy Strap Yourselves In Enjoy the Revolution! Another revolution around the sun that is.
Someone has a The Invisibles quote in their signature, good shit.
More good shit: https://www.usenetarchives.com/view...jEzN2JhLjkyNDMzM0BuZXdzLm0uaWluZXQubmV0LmF1Pg

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Hagashager

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The very first screen has robed men giving tutorial advice.

Your first companion is a teenaged girl in a VERY obvious '90s "Cool Girl Voice" go, "HEYA! IT'S ME, IMOEN!"

On the second screen you talk a guy down from suicide after making a joke.

The third screen has fucking Elminster show up in a faux-Bri'ish accent and sing-posting himself like a clown.

There's no immersion in Baldur's Gate. You don't play it for that.
 
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The very first screen has robed men giving tutorial advice.

Your first companion is a teenaged girl in a VERY obvious '90s "Cool Girl Voice" go, "HEYA! IT'S ME, IMOEN!"

On the second screen you talk a guy down from suicide after making a joke.

The third screen has fucking Elminster show up in a faux-Bri'ish accent and sing-posting himself like a clown.

There's no immersion in Baldur's Gate. You don't play it for that.
The Baldur's Gate 3 is not only "a", but THE real sequel. Larian is the only company making crpgs as we speak.
 

NecroLord

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The very first screen has robed men giving tutorial advice.

Your first companion is a teenaged girl in a VERY obvious '90s "Cool Girl Voice" go, "HEYA! IT'S ME, IMOEN!"

On the second screen you talk a guy down from suicide after making a joke.

The third screen has fucking Elminster show up in a faux-Bri'ish accent and sing-posting himself like a clown.

There's no immersion in Baldur's Gate. You don't play it for that.
Yeah, no shit, mate.
 

Axioms

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Some people might not know this but you can still view lots of old mid 90s Usenet content about Interplay and Tim Cain including responses by community managers regarding Tim leaving during development of Fallout 2. And also lots of random posts by Tim himself, many about the GURPS RPG and his GNW(GNW's Not Windows) windowing system.
https://www.usenetarchives.com/threads.php?id=alt.games.interplay&y=0&r=0&p=1
https://www.usenetarchives.com/threads.php?id=alt.games.interplay.freespace&y=0&r=0&p=1

This what you're talking about?

Edit: https://www.usenetarchives.com/view...Q5YjNmLjI1NTcxNzQ1NUBlbmV3cy5uZXdzZ3V5LmNvbT4

Look at that, history happening! And also people bitching about the time limit.
That's not what I was talking about but it may be substantially similar? There are among other archives a google user groups archive thing that keeps usenet stuff.

https://groups.google.com/g/comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.rpg/c/21JrSNdc1X0/m/ThZS6c9tYhQJ

Here you can see an Interplay CM or w/e lying about Fallout 2 and Tim Cain for instance. There's a ton of other stuff also.
 

KainenMorden

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The working title of Arcanum was Epic and one subtitle pitched ,not by him, was "Of skulls and scrap faggot green". I'm surprised he said faggot in the vid but he did mention he's "allowed" to say it, not sure what they were getting at with that title. I guess something to do with a bundle of sticks? It would never fly for a video game title either way.

One thing I never knew, your character's name in Arcanum affected RNG? I never noticed anything like this and have done a run every few years or so since release besides playing it to death as a kid.

He also mentions Ed Mortimer and his contribution to the game. I'm convinced Cain browses the codex and not just this thread.
 

Axioms

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The working title of Arcanum was Epic and one subtitle pitched ,not by him, was "Of skulls and scrap faggot green". I'm surprised he said faggot in the vid but he did mention he's "allowed" to say it, not sure what they were getting at with that title. I guess something to do with a bundle of sticks? It would never fly for a video game title either way.

One thing I never knew, your character's name in Arcanum affected RNG? I never noticed anything like this and have done a run every few years or so since release besides playing it to death as a kid.

He also mentions Ed Mortimer and his contribution to the game. I'm convinced Cain browses the codex and not just this thread.
I believe what he actually said was he played a TTRPG module, Judge or something?, that had subtitles and that one he mentioned was from that, not for Arcanum.
 

KainenMorden

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The working title of Arcanum was Epic and one subtitle pitched ,not by him, was "Of skulls and scrap faggot green". I'm surprised he said faggot in the vid but he did mention he's "allowed" to say it, not sure what they were getting at with that title. I guess something to do with a bundle of sticks? It would never fly for a video game title either way.

One thing I never knew, your character's name in Arcanum affected RNG? I never noticed anything like this and have done a run every few years or so since release besides playing it to death as a kid.

He also mentions Ed Mortimer and his contribution to the game. I'm convinced Cain browses the codex and not just this thread.
I believe what he actually said was he played a TTRPG module, Judge or something?, that had subtitles and that one he mentioned was from that, not for Arcanum.

Oh ok, I just listened to it again you're right, disregard.
 

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Some people might not know this but you can still view lots of old mid 90s Usenet content about Interplay and Tim Cain including responses by community managers regarding Tim leaving during development of Fallout 2. And also lots of random posts by Tim himself, many about the GURPS RPG and his GNW(GNW's Not Windows) windowing system.
https://www.usenetarchives.com/threads.php?id=alt.games.interplay&y=0&r=0&p=1
https://www.usenetarchives.com/threads.php?id=alt.games.interplay.freespace&y=0&r=0&p=1

This what you're talking about?

Edit: https://www.usenetarchives.com/view...Q5YjNmLjI1NTcxNzQ1NUBlbmV3cy5uZXdzZ3V5LmNvbT4

Look at that, history happening! And also people bitching about the time limit.
My old usenet thread: https://rpgcodex.net/forums/threads/digging-through-old-posts-on-comp-sys-ibm-pc-games-rpg.92017/
 

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Some publisher guy also yelled at Tim for working in C and not C++
This is absolutely retarded, since a C++ compiler can compile C just fine. Tim probably didn't see what the hype was with the whole "object oriented programming" monkey spank that was going on in the late 1990s. The whole thing that made C special in the first place was that it was a language comprised mostly of functions as opposed to more traditional languages which were mostly keywords. As such, the "powers that be" could make a change to a base function to improve it in the lower level stuff and your source code would still compile. C++ somewhat steps back from that, or at least that's how a lot of die hard C programmers felt.

Most publishers don't know shit about programming, but they know how to read trending articles.
Interplay sent three legal threats, and after the last one Cain got a good lawyer to threaten them right back. They also lost the Fallout code and asked Tim if he still had it (they ended up finding it on one of their old machines).
This doesn't shock me since they made that contract with Micro Forte for Fallout Tactics, and Micro Forte was under the assumption that they had all the Fallout assets. Punchline, they didn't have any of them and Micro Forte had to make everything from scratch.
 

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