Cain on Games - Tim Cain's new YouTube channel

[Roguey]

To be fair, this has always been the meta and devs have frontloaded their best content since the dawn of time.

A lot of classic RPGs have bad-beginning problems (hence the old cliche of "it gets better x hours in"). The RPG with the polished beginning is relatively new.

 

[rojay]

Based on the "it's not fun" feedback, there's universal consensus among professional game designers that it's bad, which is why no one's used it since the 00s.

In Brigand: Oaxaca skill and movement affect the reticule. It's a very fun game, you should try it.

Keep in mind that for Roguey "professional game designers" basically equals Josh Soyer and Tim Cain. The former managed to quickly capture the title of worst system designer in the last 20 years. The latter "created" Outer Worlds

At least he posts about games. On a forum about games. You, on the other hand, are completely useless.

 

[luj1]

I think you are just butthurt rojay. I made more threads on game design and RPG theory than you, Roguey and Infinitron combined. In fact, more than 95% of this forum. Who are you, even?

 

[Infinitron]

This should be fun:

I talk about the worst job interview I ever experienced as a hiree...well, two interviews, since it's a tie.

 

[Roguey]

That final story was a treat. In 2018 someone from a Big Company headhunted him saying they had a great opportunity available. He goes to the interview - and it turns out to be a position as a Localization Producer. Absolutely devastated:

Driving home I was having trouble processing how I felt. I wasn't angry, I wasn't disappointed, I wasn't sad. I finally realized how I felt: I was embarrassed. I had let myself think for a few days before that lunch that someone had finally recognized my work, that someone powerful had seen the IPs I worked on directly - Fallout, Arcanum, Wild Star, Outer Worlds - and those that I helped create - Pillars of Eternity, Tyranny - and thought "let's back this guy and see what he can do with a huge set of resources under his control," and I had fantasized about what kind of game that would be. I had lots of ideas, lots of notebooks filled with potential new IPs, but no, he asked me to be a localization producer. He had no idea who I was or what I had done. I spent a few happy days thinking he did, and now, now I was just embarrassed.

 

[0sacred]

Allegedly Tim was exposed to sexism during job interviews.

Spoiler

someone called him an oldfag

 

[Strange Fellow]

To be fair, this has always been the meta and devs have frontloaded their best content since the dawn of time.

A lot of classic RPGs have bad-beginning problems (hence the old cliche of "it gets better x hours in"). The RPG with the polished beginning is relatively new.

More than have bad endgames? I can't name an RPG (which isn't just awful throughout) that has nearly as bad a beginning as the end of, say, Omikron or KOTOR 2.

 

[Butter]

To be fair, this has always been the meta and devs have frontloaded their best content since the dawn of time.

A lot of classic RPGs have bad-beginning problems (hence the old cliche of "it gets better x hours in"). The RPG with the polished beginning is relatively new.

More than have bad endgames? I can't name an RPG (which isn't just awful throughout) that has nearly as bad a beginning as the end of, say, Omikron or KOTOR 2.

KOTOR 2's beginning is as bad as its ending.

 

[Strange Fellow]

To be fair, this has always been the meta and devs have frontloaded their best content since the dawn of time.

A lot of classic RPGs have bad-beginning problems (hence the old cliche of "it gets better x hours in"). The RPG with the polished beginning is relatively new.

More than have bad endgames? I can't name an RPG (which isn't just awful throughout) that has nearly as bad a beginning as the end of, say, Omikron or KOTOR 2.

KOTOR 2's beginning is as bad as its ending.

The beginning is a bit long. The end is unacceptable as a product someone once asked money for, let alone a coherent end to the story.

 

[Roguey]

Feargus gets called out (indirectly):


He also says this happened at his own company but doesn't cite specific examples, so I guess he's referring to some publisher demand? After all there was no one in the company higher up than him, Jason, and Leonard.

 

[NecroLord]

To be fair, this has always been the meta and devs have frontloaded their best content since the dawn of time.

A lot of classic RPGs have bad-beginning problems (hence the old cliche of "it gets better x hours in"). The RPG with the polished beginning is relatively new.

More than have bad endgames? I can't name an RPG (which isn't just awful throughout) that has nearly as bad a beginning as the end of, say, Omikron or KOTOR 2.

KOTOR 2's beginning is as bad as its ending.

The cut ending that is restored by The Sith Lords Restored Content Mod?
You are aware that there are multiple endings with different variations, right?

 

[Butter]

To be fair, this has always been the meta and devs have frontloaded their best content since the dawn of time.

A lot of classic RPGs have bad-beginning problems (hence the old cliche of "it gets better x hours in"). The RPG with the polished beginning is relatively new.

More than have bad endgames? I can't name an RPG (which isn't just awful throughout) that has nearly as bad a beginning as the end of, say, Omikron or KOTOR 2.

KOTOR 2's beginning is as bad as its ending.

The cut ending that is restored by The Sith Lords Restored Content Mod?
You are aware that there are multiple endings with different variations, right?

The game is uniformly terrible.

 

[luj1]

The game is uniformly terrible.

Neither KotOR is peak Renaissance but the second one is Obsidians first and best game. It's all downhill from there.

 

[NecroLord]

It is a great game and the best Star Wars story ever told.
I was surprised at how much stuff Disney continues to appropriate from KOTOR.
Some retards even referred to Rey as a "wound in The Force", lmao...
Shows that they didn't even play KOTOR 2 and do not know what that term even means.

 

[Strange Fellow]

To be fair, this has always been the meta and devs have frontloaded their best content since the dawn of time.

A lot of classic RPGs have bad-beginning problems (hence the old cliche of "it gets better x hours in"). The RPG with the polished beginning is relatively new.

More than have bad endgames? I can't name an RPG (which isn't just awful throughout) that has nearly as bad a beginning as the end of, say, Omikron or KOTOR 2.

KOTOR 2's beginning is as bad as its ending.

The cut ending that is restored by The Sith Lords Restored Content Mod?
You are aware that there are multiple endings with different variations, right?

The game is uniformly terrible.

Your extreme wrongness about KOTOR 2 notwithstanding, this is exactly why I said I was talking about RPGs that aren't awful from beginning to end. If you think everything about a game is shit, of course the beginning is as bad as the end.

Replying to NecroLord: I've played with the mod and the ending was still a disjointed unfinished disaster. Maybe it's worse in the original game, it's been so long since I played that that I can't remember anything about it other than how shockingly bad it was. I'm not about to go check, I will never finish KOTOR 2 again. Anyway, the fact that even the mod comes nowhere close to saving it really says it all.

 

[luj1]

No need to use that mod tbh. It does more harm than good.

 

[IHaveHugeNick]

Yeah TSLRC has went full retard long ago.

 

[luj1]

Yeah TSLRC has went full retard long ago.

Do you think there is an older version which is okay?

 

[Infinitron]

I talk about a design spec for...a music streaming app!

 

[IHaveHugeNick]

Yeah TSLRC has went full retard long ago.

Do you think there is an older version which is okay?

I've not tried, it but apparently there's a mod that mods TSLRC ( ) that unfucks some of the wacky changes they've made with lateer releases.

https://deadlystream.com/files/file/296-unofficial-tslrcm-tweak-pack/

 

[NecroLord]

Yeah TSLRC has went full retard long ago.

Do you think there is an older version which is okay?

I've not tried, it but apparently there's a mod that mods TSLRC ( ) that unfucks some of the wacky changes they've made with lateer releases.

https://deadlystream.com/files/file/296-unofficial-tslrcm-tweak-pack/

What wacky changes?

 

[IHaveHugeNick]

At some point they went full retard and started "restoring" stuff that was obviously cut because of poor quality. I'm not a fan of the droid planet either but at least it's a seperate mod so you can skip that.

 

[NecroLord]

At some point they went full retard and started "restoring" stuff that was obviously cut because of poor quality. I'm not a fan of the droid planet either but at least it's a seperate mod so you can skip that.

Yeah, I always played it without the Droid Planet installed.
It's the 1.85 version.

 

[Basshead]

This is very interesting. Obviously you are negatively biased towards Avellone. Very quick to point fingers, spread gossip and dig up dirt on him (and very eager). But whenever Tim or Josh (especially Josh) appear, you will sing odes about them, instantly transforming into their lawyer, translator and promoter. Strong agenda. At the same time, you won't disclose this very obvious (interpersonal) problem you have with MCA. Lastly, you claimed to accept both male and female pronouns, and call yourself a "freak." You are a very interesting person Roguey.

I too wonder what the deal with this Roguey character is. Going back through numerous threads they not only refer to themselves as him/her but also sometimes posted quotes from Josh Sawyer using we in 3rd person. Is this Sawyers trans online alter ego? Is Roguey connected to obsidian in some way? All very strange. I for one know would like to get to the bottom of this mystery! After all, what could be more balanced than possessing both sexes simultaneously? The codex’s own baphomet!

 

[luj1]

NecroLord IHaveHugeNick I found a pre-1.8 version

https://www.gamefront.com/games/knights-of-the-old-republic-ii/file/tslrcm-1-7

Should probably be downloaded and preserved