Cain on Games - Tim Cain's new YouTube channel

[luj1]

Tim affirms that producers and publishers don't like it when developers spend a lot of money making content that most players will never see. He suggests that they can cut costs by making unique content procedural but acknowledges this is difficult to do in a way that most people would enjoy.

Why are you acting like Tim's translator?

 

[NecroLord]

Tim affirms that producers and publishers don't like it when developers spend a lot of money making content that most players will never see. He suggests that they can cut costs by making unique content procedural but acknowledges this is difficult to do in a way that most people would enjoy.

Why are you acting like Tim's translator?

Well, in the absence of Sawyer...

 

[Roguey]

Why are you acting like Tim's translator?

Not everyone's going to have the patience to watch a video or read the transcript or go through the steps to get an AI summary, so I summarize what he says whenever I find it interesting.

 

[luj1]

Why are you acting like Tim's translator?

Well, in the absence of Sawyer...

One of them said hi to Roguey once

 

[luj1]

Not everyone's going to have the patience to watch a video or read the transcript or go through the steps to get an AI summary, so I summarize what he says whenever I find it interesting.

You like to do that with Sawyer too. Do you live in their anal crevices? Why do you like Tim & Josh but always dig up dirt on Avellone? Is that because they are gay and Avellone is not? Or because Avellone doesn't like Josh? So many questions. I hope you will answer at least some of them.

 

[Roguey]

You like to do that with Sawyer too. Do you live in their anal crevices? Why do you like Tim & Josh but dislike Avellone? Is that because they are gay and Avellone is not? Or because Avellone doesn't like Josh? So many questions.

I don't fully agree with any of them, but it feels important to me that the information they share about RPGs not be confined to a single source that can just disappear one day. The Fallout wiki has a treasure trove of Sawyer behind-the-scenes explanations because I took it upon myself to save a local copy of his formspring page back in 2013.

 

[luj1]

I don't fully agree with any of them, but it feels important to me that the information they share about RPGs not be confined to a single source that can just disappear one day. The Fallout wiki has a treasure trove of Sawyer behind-the-scenes explanations because I took it upon myself to save a local copy of his formspring page back in 2013.

Why did you cunningly dodge my question about Avellone? Come on Roguey. Let me repeat.

Why do you like Tim & Josh but always dig up dirt on Avellone? Is that because they are gay and Avellone is not? Or because Avellone doesn't like Josh?

I mean it's obvious that there is something *tangible* in there.

 

[Roguey]

Is that because they are gay and Avellone is not?

Got news for you man https://rpgcodex.net/forums/threads/chris-avellone-appreciation-station.101693/post-8085669

 

[luj1]

Is that because they are gay and Avellone is not?

Got news for you man https://rpgcodex.net/forums/threads/chris-avellone-appreciation-station.101693/post-8085669

Okay so it's not about being gay. Why then? I noticed you always try to besmear Avellone. You just did it again, almost automatically and without thinking. Did Avellone do something to Josh you didn't like?

 

[luj1]

Roguey Why do you run away?

 

[luj1]

This is very interesting. Obviously you are negatively biased towards Avellone. Very quick to point fingers, spread gossip and dig up dirt on him (and very eager). But whenever Tim or Josh (especially Josh) appear, you will sing odes about them, instantly transforming into their lawyer, translator and promoter. Strong agenda. At the same time, you won't disclose this very obvious (interpersonal) problem you have with MCA. Lastly, you claimed to accept both male and female pronouns, and call yourself a "freak." You are a very interesting person Roguey.

 

[NecroLord]

Why doesn't Avellone jump on the "make videos of myself talking on Youtube" trend?
Would be pretty interesting if he did.

 

[Spukrian]

Based on the "it's not fun" feedback, there's universal consensus among professional game designers that it's bad, which is why no one's used it since the 00s.

In Brigand: Oaxaca skill and movement affect the reticule. It's a very fun game, you should try it.

 

[Roguey]

In Brigand: Oaxaca skill and movement affect the reticule. It's a very fun game, you should try it.

I played the demo because it was featured on the Codex curator and it was awful.

 

[0sacred]

Why doesn't Avellone jump on the "make videos of myself talking on Youtube" trend?
Would be pretty interesting if he did.

didn't this whole smear campaign against him start on social media (specifically Twitter)

 

[Infinitron]

Why are you acting like Tim's translator?

Not everyone's going to have the patience to watch a video or read the transcript or go through the steps to get an AI summary, so I summarize what he says whenever I find it interesting.

>Forum full of lazy people
>One person gets up and actually does some work
>Lazy people: WTF, why does this forum increasingly reflect the tastes of this person, this isn't the Codex I loved

 

[Melcar]

Goddamn lazy people.

 

[Bulo]

Why doesn't Avellone jump on the "make videos of myself talking on Youtube" trend?

While playing Arcanum

 

[ds]

I talk about using game content as a reward...and why you don't see that much.

Don't most players not complete the game anyway? At least that seems to be the case with anything that has story-based Steam achievements. So it's already the case for endgame content that most people won't see it, even if the game is completely linear.

 

[Butter]

Don't most players not complete the game anyway? At least that seems to be the case with anything that has story-based Steam achievements. So it's already the case for endgame content that most people won't see it, even if the game is completely linear.

Developers already adapted to the meta and just frontload their best content (see: Larian).

The real solution to the cost problem isn't fucking procgen. Tim says in the video that it was easier to justify content as a reward 20 years ago when games were cheaper, but then he skips over the part where games should just be made cheaper. The entire genre of visual novels is built on this concept: rock bottom production costs means you can have extensive story branching.

 

[Strange Fellow]

Developers already adapted to the meta and just frontload their best content (see: Larian).

To be fair, this has always been the meta and devs have frontloaded their best content since the dawn of time.

 

[Tyranicon]

All media frontloads their best content, including books, tv and film. Always has been. This is old as dirt.

That's not a problem when they take care to make sure their end content is also at least decent.

It's when you have something like this that it becomes a problem, and since nu media is all lazy as shit and made by anti-talent, it's all this:

 

[NecroLord]

Why doesn't Avellone jump on the "make videos of myself talking on Youtube" trend?

While playing Arcanum

And getting killed by the pitiful starting area wolves...

 

[luj1]

In Brigand: Oaxaca skill and movement affect the reticule. It's a very fun game, you should try it.

I played the demo because it was featured on the Codex curator and it was awful.

Keep in mind Roguey is the type of ?guy? who praises Pillars (ranked #63 by the Codex) and shuns Arcanum (perennial Codex top 3). It's highly doubtful that xir can even differentiate between good and bad.

 

[luj1]

Based on the "it's not fun" feedback, there's universal consensus among professional game designers that it's bad, which is why no one's used it since the 00s.

In Brigand: Oaxaca skill and movement affect the reticule. It's a very fun game, you should try it.

Keep in mind that for Roguey "professional game designers" basically equals Josh Soyer and Tim Cain. The former managed to quickly capture the title of worst system designer in the last 20 years. The latter "created" Outer Worlds