Cain on Games - Tim Cain's new YouTube channel

[NecroLord]

I am surprised there was less of an "outrage" here over the "cancellation" of Tim Cain because of his refusal to repent capitalism.

LOVELY.

 

[NecroLord]

Its pretty funny. When MCA said the same thing redditors were seething and saying things like 'Well this is just Avellone, he only worked on the sequels, he has no way of knowing what the original creators intended, the real person behind Fallout is Tim Cain anyway, etc, etc'. Now Tim said the same thing and their new argument is 'Well a lot of people worked on the games so its possible some of them added those themes without him noticing'.

Spoiler

Avellone knows to always pay respect to the source material and carefully study it.
Case in point: Planescape Torment, also KOTOR 2.

 

[Odoryuk]

Actually, that one modeller that worked on 3d models for tiles might have harbour some negative feelings towards capitalism, so... Yeah

 

[Infinitron]

Player 2 has joined the game:

 

[Elttharion]

Player 2 has joined the game:

MCA is happy for the support haha

 

[Sinder Velvin]

We need a new Fallout subreddit, because this one is ridiculous:

https://www.reddit.com/r/Fallout/comments/1f0eb4y/emil_pagliarulo_says_he_agrees_with_tim_cain_that/

 

[Silvanus]

Fallout makes its core theme clear from the very first voiced line, but it's not surprising that the idiot "media literacy" crowd fail to notice this.

 

[Infinitron]

 

[Alienman]

Makes me wonder what Neverknowsbest thinks about good old Emil now

 

[Butter]

Emil is more based than any of us realized.

 

[luj1]

The last good game Tim made was in 2004. That's 20 years ago.

 

[Sinder Velvin]

Emil is more based than any of us realized.

Perhaps not:

 

[Sigourn]

"I won."

 

[NecroLord]

Actually, that one modeller that worked on 3d models for tiles might have harbour some negative feelings towards capitalism, so... Yeah

It was the 50s consumerist aesthetic of Fallout.
"Let's all drink Nuka-Colas while fucking up some commies! Democracy FUCK YEAH!!!"
That was it.
Of course, the Reddit crowd interpreted it as some disguised critique of capitalism...

 

[Sinder Velvin]

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[Butter]

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OK I take it back. At least he didn't use the phrase "my mental health".

 

[dutchwench]

"Oh shit, I posted something for shits and giggles, but then I remembered people somehow listen to my opinion, and now gaming outlets are discussing what I said."
Wasn't this his reaction to people clowning on him for the Canadian race war thing as well? Will this literal adult male ever stop running from people making funny photoshops of him online?
I can't imagine Todd acting like this. He should do a the Master thing and dunk all of his beta male subordinates in FEV.

 

[NecroLord]

Why are game devs such spineless faggots?

 

[Black]

 

[Cohesion]

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OK I take it back. At least he didn't use the phrase "my mental health".

Back in the day we called such creatures "drama queens".

 

[solemgar]

Such a weird polemic. War was always the main theme. I see capitalism in the games as the crazy consumerism of the 50s aesthetics and maybe as a somewhat catalyzer for the war. But definitely not the main motif of the games

 

[Silvanus]

Such a weird polemic. War was always the main theme. I see capitalism in the games as the crazy consumerism of the 50s aesthetics and maybe as a somewhat catalyzer for the war. But definitely not the main motif of the games

Any capitalist and consumerist motifs seemed to me to be present simply because the game was set in the USA and wanted to clearly show the player what locale they were in, along with some glimpses of pre-war culture. There's nothing present to suggest that it's something deeper than that and especially nothing to suggest that consumerism ties in with the war in some way. In a Chinese or Russian Fallout setting one would see similarly parodic depictions of communism for the same reasons.

 

[Infinitron]

I talk about how you should play games, but feeling like you need to play ALL games before you can discuss, review, develop, or finish your own games is a trap.

 

[Roguey]

I doubt there are that many people out there who want to play every piece of shovelware on Steam.

As far as I'm concerned I've played just about every game I'd have more than a mild amount of interested in. Absolutely manageable if you have standards.

 

[taxalot]

I'm so pissed that Fallout is not about criticizing Capitalism. I'm going to find comfort and solace in the one game that has never left me down, The Sims 4.