Cain on Games - Tim Cain's new YouTube channel

[NecroLord]

This should be good:

I talk about the five best computer role playing games of the 21st century from which to learn about RPG development...and exactly what each one teaches you. Plus, I add in three runners up, including why they didn't make the cut.

This video is a companion piece to the one about my top 5 video games.

1. World of Warcraft,
2. Elden Ring,
3. Skyrim,
4. Fallout: New Vegas,
5. Baldur's Gate 3.

Runner ups:
1. Bloodlines,
2. Half-Life 2,
3. Vampire Survivors.

He's really gone full retard.

 

[moon knight]

Elden Ring is an RPG now?

 

[NecroLord]

A better topic would be pre-21st century RPG master class, in which Tim discusses games that are actually worth learning from.

My tentative top 5:

1. Fallout (how to do structure in an open world non-linear game)
2. Pool of Radiance (how to do a low level adventure)
3. Ultima Underworld (how to make non-combat gameplay just as engaging as combat)
4. Rogue (how dying and losing all progress can be fun and addictive)
5. Planescape: Torment (how to do a narrative-heavy game without it becoming a movie)

Fallout (how to do a game that is not just simply a cRPG, but something truly special).

 

[caffeine]

Elden Ring is an RPG now?

What isn't an RPG these days? even normalfag sports games are RPGs now.

 

[Viata]

Elden Ring is an RPG now?

Mate, there is Half Life 2 there. At least you can bend the rules and call Elden Ring an RPG, but what kind of fucked up mind thinks Half Life 2 is an RPG?

 

[Grampy_Bone]

All five of those put the player in the driver's seat first and foremost, instead of funneling you down a narrow path, curating XP, or forcing a story role on you. That's a core RPG experience that games like Colony Ship, Pillars, and Solasta fail at, while Underrail and JA3 managed to achieve.

I've said this many times now, but if those AAA games are all so "bad", do better. Don't reject their good ideas because they were implemented "for casuals," make them the right way.

 

[moon knight]

if those AAA games are all so "bad", do better.

Well, he certainly didn't do better with The Outer Worlds. Now I understand why.

 

[Silverfish]

3. Skyrim,

Who's laughing now?

 

[Roguey]

World of Warcraft - typical Tim-m-o

Elden Ring - following the herd

Skyrim - still following the herd

Fallout New Vegas - amused at how he (correctly) considers this one to be the faithful update and not 3

Baldur's Gate 3 - agenda acknowledged

Runner-ups:

Bloodlines - Ehhhhhhhhhhh

Half-Life 2 - Ehhhhhhhh....????????????????

Vampire Survivors - okay, enough

I'm terribly amused at how the Disco Commies and Witchers and KCD-crusaders are fuming in the comments but if you've been following these videos you should know that he does not care for these types of games.

 

[Grampy_Bone]

if those AAA games are all so "bad", do better.

Well, he certainly didn't do better with The Outer Worlds. Now I understand why.

Considering Fallout and Arcanum were both very open, and ToEE is about as open as a dungeon crawler can be, while Bloodlines and TOW were much more constrained, I'd say Tim forgot what made his old games good. Or caved to pressure and the realities technology.

 

[Alienman]

Tims's anecdotes about Baldur's Gate 3 make me think of that Prachter guy or whatever his name is. He was one of the type of guys who decided what kind of ideas are or aren't dead in a business sense - never to make a return. I believe that if you make something good, you can bring "back" any genre. The Prachter guy was wrong about everything but was still treated as some kind of guru, sitting in high up his office surrounded by gaming-related toys, predicting this or that. Wish I remembered his name, so I could check what he does now. I think he worked for Gametrailers or had a show on their website.

 

[Infinitron]

Tims's anecdotes about Baldur's Gate 3 make me think of that Prachter guy or whatever his name is. He was one of the type of guys who decided what kind of ideas are or aren't dead in a business sense - never to make a return. I believe that if you make something good, you can bring "back" any genre. The Prachter guy was wrong about everything but was still treated as some kind of guru, sitting in high up his office surrounded by gaming-related toys, predicting this or that. Wish I remembered his name, so I could check what he does now. I think he worked for Gametrailers or had a show on their website.

Michael Pachter.

 

[Grampy_Bone]

Jim Cramer of videogames

 

[luj1]

Elden Ring is an RPG now?

What isn't an RPG these days? even normalfag sports games are RPGs now.

Today a racing game with stats is an RPG.

 

[NecroLord]

if those AAA games are all so "bad", do better.

Well, he certainly didn't do better with The Outer Worlds. Now I understand why.

Considering Fallout and Arcanum were both very open, and ToEE is about as open as a dungeon crawler can be, while Bloodlines and TOW were much more constrained, I'd say Tim forgot what made his old games good. Or caved to pressure and the realities technology.

No, he just became full retard.

 

[Zed Duke of Banville]

Elden Ring is an RPG now?

Always has been.

 

[Gandalf]

I don't blame the guy. Game developement is his profession and perhaps casual games are more rewarding than those made for dying breed RPG elitists. If that's what make him happy, so be it.

What I would ask the guy is: What RPG would you make if you'd had an unlimited resources, unlimited power and did not have to worry about sales and all other obstacles that usually occur during developement? What would it play and look like? Would it be something revolutionary or maybe strongly grounded in tradition?

 

[Russia is over. The end.]

Elden Ring is an RPG now?

Foul tarnished, unfit to appreciate the best RPG of 2022.

 

[gurugeorge]

To be fair, he is talking about "of the 21st century."

 

[Assisted Living Godzilla]

He also is talking about specific things the games do. He doesn’t just bring up Skyrim and say Skyrim in general is good. The one thing he brings up Skyrim for is something even people that hate the game seem to agree is something Bethesda does well... or at least was something they used to do well.

 

[Wesp5]

He also is talking about specific things the games do. He doesn’t just bring up Skyrim and say Skyrim in general is good.

Speaking of Skyrim, while playing The Outer Worlds DLC, the ugly lifeless NPCs remind me very much of Skyrim !

 

[__scribbles__]

I talk about my thoughts on video game piracy.

 

[Roguey]

"People I know who have pirated games wouldn't have bought them anyway."

Color wheels excluded the colorblind, good job, anti-pirates.

Cain supports the game preservation aspects of piracy.

Tim's two biggest issues in the game industry: 1) too many hands in the pie when it comes to who gets paid 2) lack of incentives for individual employees to be loyal to a company

Tim believes the reason why writing is trash in current games is because all the best writers write screenplays where they can get royalties, but from my perspective, current film/tv/games are all trash.

 

[Cyberarmy]

"People I know who have pirated games wouldn't have bought them anyway."

There was no way to buy legit, legal games in Turkey till early 2000's. Only some major releases and you have to be lucky to get it before stocks are finished.
I was only able to buy most games in my Europe travels, I was one of the lucky ones.

 

[NecroLord]

I talk about my thoughts on video game piracy.

Har, har, har!
Honestly, is piracy really all that bad?
When does it legitimately become a major issue?
Because, with the current vile practices of this rotten, soulless industry, those motherfuckers are literally begging people to pirate their shit.