CD Projekt's Cyberpunk 2077 Update 2.0 + Phantom Liberty Expansion Thread

[Perkel]

Spoiler

is not who he claims to be. Bryce Mosley is dead and he just took his name.
Combined with Peralez quest, that fucking song everyone humms but no one can actually remember the name of, and Mr. Blue Eyes watching you the whole game and being present in some of the endings, there is definitely some Deus Ex conspiracy going on. Future expansions hints?

Don't think so. It is probably bow to Pondsmith and one of his thoughts on Cyberpunk and who really rules the city.

Spoiler

He really loved VMTB so much that he said he loves to think that actually vampires rule the city from shadows.

Interesting, you got some hard reading material on this or is it speculation? Early on, when consolians were complaining about T-posing, spawning/despawning and LOD pop-in bugs, it got me thinking they were mostly performance-related instantiation problems.

Because they are. Someone just assumes that if one frame drops suddenly next one doesn't work or third one and suddenly you get car dropping through the floor. As for their LOD stuff they are using UMBRA like in Witcher3 which is really neat LOD system also same stuff that basically disallows terrain modification for mods as it would need UMBRA pass on new stuff to have lods or something like that and that is software worth a lot with custom code for each game.

There are probably plenty of optimized stuff like in any other Day1 game ever.

PS4 has like HD7850+ and game works from HDD trying to load something that is clearly cut above standard PS4 game. It is miracle it even works 20fps on old consoles.

Basically there are 1000s of things they need to account for, For example from what i have seen they have real time GI calcucated every once in while for separate open world areas. So that makes alone 100s of those in 77 and you can see sometimes it breaking in game in some alleys.

 

[racofer]

Insightful analysis on what went wrong.

 

[Turjan]

Where can I buy a Quadra? I picked up a Tyger Claws one for a joyride and at least that thing had a functioning steering wheel.

I got one (a Turbo-R V-Tech) for free. Look for a gig in Heywood.

Edit: You can also get a second Quadra for free in a different quest line

Spoiler

the racing one

 

[Druid Ardun]

So, that Netwatch guy in the Pacifica mall

Spoiler

is not who he claims to be. Bryce Mosley is dead and he just took his name.

Combined with Peralez quest, that fucking song everyone humms but no one can actually remember the name of, and Mr. Blue Eyes watching you the whole game and being present in some of the endings, there is definitely some Deus Ex conspiracy going on. Future expansions hints?

Pretty cool didnt notice this, but honestly this makes the game even more disappointing because you find mysterious references to Lilith etc. everywhere but never discover anything really.

 

[Perkel]

Pretty cool didnt notice this, but honestly this makes the game even more disappointing because you find mysterious references to Lilith etc. everywhere but never discover anything really.

Read my spoiler

Also i watched stream of some dude and that GIG about finding Blake actually i think continues if you don't kill him. I just killed him and mission ended as such but i saw dude put him in strangle hold and take his body outside where goal changed from finding blake to putting blake into fixer car. Didn't see rest of the quest though and if this does something else.

 

[Turjan]

Only now noticed that the "Woman of La Mancha" quest has some aftermath.

Spoiler

Found one of her two colleagues who wanted you to make her go in a trash heap, together with a message that pointed to the other one sharing his fate

 

[MasPingon]

Interesting, you got some hard reading material on this or is it speculation? Early on, when consolians were complaining about T-posing, spawning/despawning and LOD pop-in bugs, it got me thinking they were mostly performance-related instantiation problems.

Because they are. Someone just assumes that if one frame drops suddenly next one doesn't work or third one and suddenly you get car dropping through the floor.

It's not about frames, it's about processes and CDPR devs african parallel programming. Does this game makes you a blowjob? Because you act like it is your first girlfriend. Even if she rides your dick she's still 5/10.

 

[Gargaune]

Where can I buy a Quadra? I picked up a Tyger Claws one for a joyride and at least that thing had a functioning steering wheel.

I got one (a Turbo-R V-Tech) for free. Look for a gig in Heywood.

Edit: You can also get a second Quadra for free in different quest line

Spoiler

the racing one

Thanks, I'll give it a look!

PS4 has like HD7850+ and game works from HDD trying to load something that is clearly cut above standard PS4 game. It is miracle it even works 20fps on old consoles.

I think we can all agree many of the technical problems are the result of trying to run the game on outdated hardware, but it doesn't exactly relieve CDPR of responsibility. It doesn't affect me, or presumably most of the Codex, but they did theoretically develop the game to run on that console generation.

 

[Hellraiser]

Where can I buy a Quadra? I picked up a Tyger Claws one for a joyride and at least that thing had a functioning steering wheel.

You need street cred at level 30 and a fixer will offer a Quadra Turbo-R in Charter Hill. It costs ~130k eurodollars. There's also a "free" special one to gain in a "side quest" (realy just a go and pick up free car quest) that starts 24 hours after doing one of the gigs in The Glen that requires you to steal another car, but those are I think the highest-level gigs in the game and I did those as one of the last. Might be worth a shot if you have a horribly broken stealth kill or hacking build. Also I am not sure if the game actually checks if the car you need to steal first was delivered without a scratch or not (it is not listed as an objective) as the text/phone calls mention.

The Mizutani Shion is also good as far as sports cars go and I think a bit cheaper (half the price of a quadra turbo?) I think Wakako sells that one in Japantown. Keep in mind though that I just got got used to driving the Galena that costs only 19k so my view on how well it steers might be very flawed. The Shion is good enough to win the racing though.

 

[Perkel]

It's not about frames, it's about processes and CDPR devs african parallel programming.

No it is about idea that if one calculation is wrong per frame the suddenly rest are, which whole logic of argument lies on. Most of those glitches and bugs are the because they are..... glitches and bugs. In fact this is completely reversed. It is usually if you check something per few frames that causes bugs not something per frame. Per frame is usually ideal scenario you want and some games even go further than that and check multiple times per frame like physics in racing games that go around 700hz instead of one calculation per frame or some low 60 set regardless of frames.

That being said it is costly solution and only CDPR devs know cost of it.

Also it is not like 77 is badly optimized game. If you run game on low or medium even ancient rigs can run it pretty well and still look very nice.

I think we can all agree many of the technical problems are the result of trying to run the game on outdated hardware, but it doesn't exactly relieve CDPR of responsibility. It doesn't affect me, or presumably most of the Codex, but they did theoretically develop the game to run on that console generation.

Well consoletards are used to 20fps so maybe they just got for granted that they won't notice a thing.

 

[Gargaune]

You need street cred at level 30 and a fixer will offer a Quadra Turbo-R in Charter Hill. It costs ~130k eurodollars. There's also a "free" special one to gain in a "side quest" (realy just a go and pick up free car quest) that starts 24 hours after doing one of the gigs in The Glen that requires you to steal another car, but those are I think the highest-level gigs in the game and I did those as one of the last. Might be worth a shot if you have a horribly broken stealth kill or hacking build. Also I am not sure if the game actually checks if the car you need to steal first was delivered without a scratch or not (it is not listed as an objective) as the text/phone calls mention.

Cheers, though it looks like I'm a bit off either of those. Gotta grind, I guess.

The Mizuki Shion is also good as far as sports cars go and I think a bit cheaper (half the price of a quadra turbo?) I think Wakako sells that one in Japantown. Keep in mind though that I just got got used to driving the Galena that costs only 19k so my view on how well it steers might be very flawed. The Shion is good enough to win the racing though.

Uh, that was a head-scratcher, 'cause I plugged "Mizuki Shion cyberpunk" into Bing and got a face full of anime. Google did pop up the Mizutani Shion after a bit of fiddling, and that looks pretty nice, I'd give it a go.

 

[Perkel]

Also some people figured out that you can actually keep stolen cars. There is small yellow parking space before your apartment and it seems that cars there will not despawn. This also works with bodies. So you can stuff your apartment full of bodies and they will not despawn.

 

[ChildInTime]

Spoiler

is not who he claims to be. Bryce Mosley is dead and he just took his name.
Combined with Peralez quest, that fucking song everyone humms but no one can actually remember the name of, and Mr. Blue Eyes watching you the whole game and being present in some of the endings, there is definitely some Deus Ex conspiracy going on. Future expansions hints?

Don't think so. It is probably bow to Pondsmith and one of his thoughts on Cyberpunk and who really rules the city.

Spoiler

He really loved VMTB so much that he said he loves to think that actually vampires rule the city from shadows.

Interesting, you got some hard reading material on this or is it speculation? Early on, when consolians were complaining about T-posing, spawning/despawning and LOD pop-in bugs, it got me thinking they were mostly performance-related instantiation problems.

Because they are. Someone just assumes that if one frame drops suddenly next one doesn't work or third one and suddenly you get car dropping through the floor. As for their LOD stuff they are using UMBRA like in Witcher3 which is really neat LOD system also same stuff that basically disallows terrain modification for mods as it would need UMBRA pass on new stuff to have lods or something like that and that is software worth a lot with custom code for each game.

There are probably plenty of optimized stuff like in any other Day1 game ever.

PS4 has like HD7850+ and game works from HDD trying to load something that is clearly cut above standard PS4 game. It is miracle it even works 20fps on old consoles.

Basically there are 1000s of things they need to account for, For example from what i have seen they have real time GI calcucated every once in while for separate open world areas. So that makes alone 100s of those in 77 and you can see sometimes it breaking in game in some alleys.

So

Spoiler

Blue Eyes is just some Ventrue mind controlled puppet? I mean, I know about the unofficial crossover with WoD and rulebooks, but c'mon. They wouldn't put so much mystery in the game just to cheekily say - "It was Camarilla all along!"

 

[RobotSquirrel]

So you can stuff your apartment full of bodies and they will not despawn.

oh god. I'm worried about trying that. I need this GPU for dev work but I'm too tempted to see how many bodies I can fit in there lol.

 

[moon knight]

Spoiler

Combined with Peralez quest, that fucking song everyone humms but no one can actually remember the name of, and Mr. Blue Eyes watching you the whole game and being present in some of the endings, there is definitely some Deus Ex conspiracy going on. Future expansions hints?

Spoiler

1:41?

 

[ChildInTime]

Spoiler

Combined with Peralez quest, that fucking song everyone humms but no one can actually remember the name of, and Mr. Blue Eyes watching you the whole game and being present in some of the endings, there is definitely some Deus Ex conspiracy going on. Future expansions hints?

Spoiler

1:41?

Yes! Doesn't it also play when you make all the important decisions?

 

[hivemind]

btw if the old butthurt slavkikes at cdproject management weren't so anti-union this never would have happened

+1

 

[Hellraiser]

The Mizuki Shion is also good as far as sports cars go and I think a bit cheaper (half the price of a quadra turbo?) I think Wakako sells that one in Japantown. Keep in mind though that I just got got used to driving the Galena that costs only 19k so my view on how well it steers might be very flawed. The Shion is good enough to win the racing though.

Uh, that was a head-scratcher, 'cause I plugged "Mizuki Shion cyberpunk" into Bing and got a face full of anime. Google did pop up the Mizutani Shion after a bit of fiddling, and that looks pretty nice, I'd give it a go.

My bad, edited the post. Just one car called Shion in the game. There's also a more expensive Nomad "Coyote" Shion variant which I got for my Nomad, but it's not worth the money, also I find the "smartglass" windows annoying on the Nomad cars that have them.

The Apollo bike, at least the Nomad variant (obtained for free from the main quest chain related to Hellman), is also worth a shot as far as steering is concerned.

 

[Mefi]

Only now noticed that the "Woman of La Mancha" quest has some aftermath.

Spoiler

Found one of her two colleagues who wanted you to make her go in a trash heap, together with a message that pointed to the other one sharing his fate

I've been goofing about clearing every single blue icon quest. Clearly cut into regular track listing, the radio announcer mentioned one of the people I'd found dead was missing and for anyone who knows whereabouts etc. Sadly though no follow up to that to fill out just one of those dozens of background NPCs who blur into one.

 

[Burning Bridges]

Insightful analysis on what went wrong.

A fine example of someone talking for 16 minutes and saying nothing.

 

[hivemind]

Nice self criticism.

 

[KeighnMcDeath]

Can I be Homer or Ned in CP2077?

 

[Cpt. Dallas]

Panam storyline is trash, typical Stronk Female M-Rey Sue bullshit.
If you liked her character or found her romance engaging you should consider getting your T-levels checked. Srsly.

Bang on, line for line. Still it could have been worse. They could have gone with OuterWorldsLesbo aesthetic for her.
The Judy questline is a pure dumpster fire basket case special as well, making a bad situation for all involved even worse. (Ends 'Pyramid Song' by popping her in the back of the head, and pushing her into the drink)

This from the devs who gave us the Witcher 1 sex cards.

 

[DalekFlay]

I really enjoy stealth in games too.. but I feel like I'm swimming against the current here.. I can either waltz through these buildings with a shotgun and clear them in 3 minutes.. or slowly stealth through the building hacking cameras and fucking around with vending machines.. which usually amounts to 40 minutes later I feel empty and dead inside.

There's just no reward or sense of satisfaction there. (Compared to games like Hitman / Thief or :gags: Skyrim)

Well I play "action stealth" so it's not much slower really. I mean yes it's obviously slower than sprinting around with a shotgun, but it's not painfully slow. I never use distractions, I don't worry about bodies, I just crouch and move around quickly shooting people's brains out. I play Deus Ex and stuff pretty much the same way, usually, though ghosting runs can be fun sometimes. I have this image in my head of a future hacker katana guy plathrough that's more what you're talking about, but yeah I don't know if it would actually be any fun.

Anyway... I think the "action stealth" in this game is pretty good mechanically, it just gets really OP and starts to feel boring because there's zero challenge. Though if I get caught I still die pretty fast actually (on hard), so maybe the OP part is how easy it is not to get caught. Also who knows how easy headshots are on a gamepad I guess.

 

[Zer0wing]

Interesting, you got some hard reading material on this or is it speculation? Early on, when consolians were complaining about T-posing, spawning/despawning and LOD pop-in bugs, it got me thinking they were mostly performance-related instantiation problems.

Just long and boring observation of complaints and comparing them to rigs people played this on and tryharding to be cpu limited myself. Success. Being cpu limited on a slower 7200rpm HDD and default 2133CL15 RAM speed makes the game go from tardy (ancient amd gpu limited) to retardy (buggy as compilations made it out to be, cpu limited). And it was obvious in case of base consoles.