CD Projekt's Cyberpunk 2077 Update 2.0 + Phantom Liberty Expansion Thread

[Gargaune]

Also, just dropping this here. Normally, I don't go out of my way to badmouth a company, but the extent and skill of CDPR trying to cover their own ass is astounding.

30,000 copies refunded? Lol what a joke.

https://www.vg247.com/2021/04/23/cyberpunk-2077-refunds-real-cost-cd-projekt/

Here's the pertinent part.

In the conference call, CD Projekt touched on refunds for Cyberpunk 2077. The developer/publisher specifically discussed the Help Me Refund campaign, saying that some 30,000 refund requests were submitted through it. This ended up costing the company $2.23 million all told.

Help Me Refund was a campaign designed to offer disgruntled players, who could not get a refund directly from retailers/digital stores, full compensation. It was a limited-time programme CD Projekt came up with in the wake of widespread mistrust, seemingly as a way to salvage some of its reputation.

But Help Me Refund is only a small part of the cost of refunds. The company also revealed in the same report that $51.2 million (including Help Me Refund) was the real cost of refunds in 2020. CD Projekt said those expenses are, “provisions for returns and expected adjustments of licensing reports related to sales of Cyberpunk 2077 in its release window, in Q4 2020.”

Oh, dear... That's a wee bit different. Is "provisions for returns and expected adjustments of licensing reports" the corporate terminology for pre-emptively lubing up one's asshole?

 

[DeepOcean]

Anyone that can read polish, is this 51 million actually money lost on refunds (if it is, that is 850.000 copies refunded, maybe alot more as CDPR doesnt get full 60 dollars on each sale, sure wont bankrupt CDPR as the game sold 13 million but it is still a considerable number) or is it a projection? This balance sheet was made public on december, did they lost all those sales at that point or is this a game lifetime projection? Also, 51 million on dollars or polish money?

 

[RRRrrr]

https://www.ign.com/articles/cdpr-issued-some-30000-refunds-for-cyberpunk-2077

Hurr durr Cyberbug milion refunds.

CDPR Issued Some 30,000 Refunds for Cyberpunk 2077

Even I am among the refunds simply because I refunded on GoG to buy it on Steam. Lol at retards thinking millions of people refunded

 

[Hellraiser]

Anyone that can read polish, is this 51 million actually money lost on refunds (if it is, that is 850.000 copies refunded, maybe alot more as CDPR doesnt get full 60 dollars on each sale, sure wont bankrupt CDPR as the game sold 13 million but it is still a considerable number) or is it a projection? This balance sheet was made public on december, did they lost all those sales at that point or is this a game lifetime projection? Also, 51 million on dollars or polish money?

They linked to the english version of the statement, it is on page 73/Note 35. This is a provision of 194 million potatogold (so indeed 51 million kwabucks) that was created but surprisingly not consumed at all so far. Now the key thing to note here is that under IFRS which the CDP reporting follows, a provision covers a probable but not certain expense:

https://www.iasplus.com/en/standards/ias/ias37

Recognition of a provision
An entity must recognise a provision if, and only if: [IAS 37.14]

• a present obligation (legal or constructive) has arisen as a result of a past event (the obligating event),
• payment is probable ('more likely than not'), and
• the amount can be estimated reliably.

In short it means that as of the end of December they were estimating up to 51 million dollars of possible returns related to sales done in 2020 that could happen after 2020 ended. How did they come to that figure and thus how accurate it is, is a different question. Possibly they already knew how much returns so far distributors and retailers had and they would eventually need to pay back, but actual settlement wouldn't officially begin until January. I expect this doesn't cover cases from GOG since there no settlement with a third party would be needed, if they give money back to a customer they would instantly record it as a decrease of sales revenue.

In any case, as usual, we probably won't know the full impact until the provision gets shown as fully consumed or dissolved (if they figure the payment is no longer "more likely than not") in their reporting at some point in the future. The consumption of the provision over its lifetime (until it is no longer needed) is what will say how much the returns did cost them.

 

[TheHeroOfTime]

 

[Paul_cz]

This is so damn good

 

[Mikeal]

 

[Daedalos]

So supposedly, the next big DLC content patch comes june 10th according to newest leaks

If they can fix up the game nicely, then that bodes well.

I just completed the sun ending for the game.

 

[gurugeorge]

I'm definitely, definitely getting a hankering to experience the game again - just the satisfying loop of hunting nests of mobs in the baking sun or the neon-lit nite. Hopefully the June 10th patch will justify me getting on that Kusanagi and roaring through the streets of Night City listening to Miles Davis on the radio again

 

[Tyranicon]

Now I need to make a game where if you fuck up, a space marine terminator deep strikes into your vehicle and crushes it.

 

[ERYFKRAD]

Now I need to make a game where if you fuck up, a space marine terminator deep strikes into your vehicle and crushes it.

Not just any deep strike.

Spoiler

MULTIPLE SIMULTANEOUS DEVASTATING DEFENSIVE DEEP STRIKES

 

[Yosharian]

Now I need to make a game where if you fuck up, a space marine terminator deep strikes into your vehicle and crushes it.

Not just any deep strike.

Spoiler

MULTIPLE SIMULTANEOUS DEVASTATING DEFENSIVE DEEP STRIKES

 

[True Ukrainian]

Hey, it's only a matter of time before they try to put trannies into Olympics. Or have to tell trannies no, which is going to be spectacular in its own right.

If they refuse the West will reeee, if they let them the rest of the world will reeee. Either way the IOC will collapse with a deafening reeee.

Trannies are already allowed in the Olympics. India created the first test case with a eunuch runner who was entered as female.

 

[AwesomeButton]

Have they implemented an option to hide undiscovered points of interest from the map view?

 

[TheHeroOfTime]

The game is wack but I will play it again if they announce new content or major fixes

 

[Justicar]

game is wack but I will play it again if they announce new content or major fixes

It's the old codex rule: plays the game for 200h says its trash

 

[Caim]

game is wack but I will play it again if they announce new content or major fixes

It's the old codex rule: plays the game for 200h says its trash

There's another Codex rule that says to not play a game that's not at least a decade old. Just seven more months and I can finally play Skyrim, heard there's a lot of good porn mods for it.

 

[RobotSquirrel]

The game is wack but I will play it again if they announce new content or major fixes

they just announced an end to patches and a focus on content.
Pretty pathetic the game is still an incoherent mess and they figure its time to move on after only a few mediocre patches. Can we just give up on AAA studios already please.

 

[Paul_cz]

they just announced an end to patches and a focus on content.

Really, where?

 

[Crispy]

they just announced an end to patches and a focus on content.

Not seeing this mentioned anywhere but here.

 

[RobotSquirrel]

Really, where?

forbes article but its paywalled. https://www.forbes.com/sites/paulta...-bug-fixes-on-to-new-content/?sh=12e23e9f3c34

ah i see the journalist is a moron and assumes 40% means None at all lol My mistake that headlines clickbaity as hell.
Looking at that they're not moving on at all that's actually a lot more post-release support than what most AAA studios normally apply.

 

[WhiskeyWolf]

Looking at that they're not moving on at all that's actually a lot more post-release support than what most AAA studios normally apply.

I mean, the game is still far from finished.

 

[Paul_cz]

I mean, the game is still far from finished.

I disagree with this - on PC it was finished, albeit unpolished, at launch. Yes more stuff can always be added, but it was a complete game, with lot of content in it.

That said, there is stuff I want to see improved beyond just bugfixing - better minimap, better NPC spawning system to prevent them from appearing/disappearing, better pedestrian/driver AI. I do not consider these things all that crucial, but they would certainly enhance the immersion and overall experience.

Mostly I just want new to see more (good) quests though.

 

[Paul_cz]

CDP still not looking to sell

AK: Keeping in mind the intensity of M&A transactions in the gaming sector –do you still maintain the optionthat you rule out the possibility of CDR being acquired by another entity?

–Nothing has changed in this regard. We run our business independently, and –as for now, at least –we see no profit from joining a bigger group. Of course we’ve said we’re more open to M&A, but only “on the other side” –we are more actively looking for teams that can help us execute our strategy. That’s important; we’re not simply adding third-party businesses to our Group, and it’s more about building the Group to execute our own strategy.

I expect CDP will work on Cyberpunk for about 2 years, incl. expansion work.

PN: What part of the team currently works on repairing Cyberpunk? Roughly what part of development costs will not be capitalized and will go to sales costs?

–It’s too early to talk about 2021; we don’t want to reveal it, but as I’ve already mentioned –a big part of the team is still working on improving Cyberpunk; that’s approximately 40% of the team. That’s the current status. Over time, we believe this team will become smaller and less effort will be dedicated to improving, patching and updating Cyberpunk –but as we said: we will work on it for as long as necessary. That’s not something we plan to finish 1 or 2 weeks from now. We definitely want to make Cyberpunk as perfect as possible.

 

[WhiskeyWolf]

I mean, the game is still far from finished.

I disagree with this - on PC it was finished, albeit unpolished, at launch. Yes more stuff can always be added, but it was a complete game, with lot of content in it.

Lots of content doesn't mean that other content wasn't cut due to them rushing it out the door, which they did.