DA2 has leaked

[Jaesun]

Why would anyone pay for this shit Morgoth?

 

[Vault Dweller]

It is an improvement, but that doesn't mean it's still not shit.

A one-axis influence system cannot be anything other than shit.

Excellent arguments, old chap. It's an improvement but it doesn't mean it's not shit because it can't be anything other than shit. Right-o.

Since when one-axis influence or reputation systems are shit by default? It was always a desirable feature when it comes to NPCs and factions, simply because 95% of games offer none, but now that we're talking about Bioware we should expect and accept only the best, which is what exactly?

As I haven't played DAO nor had the patience to read the Let's Play to the end I can not comment on the particulars of the "old" system and whether this is an improvement or not.

Played KOTOR? NWN2? Same shit. Basically, the system was criticized because instead of influencing NPCs it was a dialogue mini-game where you had to enthusiastically agree with your party members' opinion on various subjects. The more you agree, the higher the influence, which was used to unlock dialogue lines. "I'm not ready to talk about it yet" vs "Agreeing with every stupid thing I say, you've encouraged me to share more shit with you." That's all there was to it. Disagreeing or offering your character's opinion on things served no purpose whatsoever.

that is to say, NO it does not make sense for a companion to invite you to join him/her on whatever quest under ALL circumstances - for example if they hate/mistrust you based on your previous dealings with them.

Then they shouldn't travel with you in the first place. If they are willing to help you, I don't see a reason why they shouldn't be willing to accept your help.

I'm not sure I agree it's bad design to have quests unlock based on how well you treat a particular companion

See above. The "influence system" was never about how you treat people. It was about saying the right thing. That's why I think the new system is an improvement.

But how does one justify the fact that the PC gets a reward even if his henchman hate him? In fact, if my henchmen hate the PC, they should just leave the party for good and the player should be given the option to recruit some mercenaries somewhere, or just make do with what henchmen don't hate him as much.

It's not about realism, it's not about bonding with your comrades and learning how to fight like bros. It's about giving you a reason to pick the other path.

Ready for some PST trivia, guys? Did you know that Dakkon's blade has 3 states: Kin-Stealer if his morale is low (i.e. you treated him like shit), Streaming Blade, if you treated him like a bro, and Enchained Blade if you were undecided. Kin-Stealer does more damage but Enchained Blade gives better AC bonus. What a retarded game that was. "Did people actually have to do anything at all, to win the game?"

I'm not comparing venerable PST to DA2, obviously, but pointing out that there is nothing retarded in the new feature's design, so how about we delay the feces throwing ceremony until we know a bit more?

 

[alkeides]

I never really kept up with all the news releases about this game but Hawke is no longer the kid you saw in Lothering? Was he ever said to be or did I remember wrongly?

 

[racofer]

I have stopped the download. The currently available PC release is not a real scene one, but instead a clonedvd release without even an installer. It's just the game files compressed into a .rar file, which means no game folders or reg entries will be properly created thus preventing us from patching the game or installing DLCs.

I will wait for a real release next week. This one will result in trouble.

Curiously, even on not-so-scene sites you can find both the clonedvd version and a separate crc by skidrow, although I wouldn't be so sure it's "official".

That so called skidrow version is fake and has all the files "loose" on the compressed file. Also, Skidrow never pushes out any releases without a crack, which is sort of his trademark.

 

[Jools]

[snip]

But how does one justify the fact that the PC gets a reward even if his henchman hate him? In fact, if my henchmen hate the PC, they should just leave the party for good and the player should be given the option to recruit some mercenaries somewhere, or just make do with what henchmen don't hate him as much.

It's not about realism, it's not about bonding with your comrades and learning how to fight like bros. It's about giving you a reason to pick the other path. [snip]

Indeed we should wait till it's released to unleash the shitting cataclysm... I see your point and I agree with your reasoning, but unfortunately I can't do the same with "theirs", not on the basis of what fragmentary info we have atm and probably not until I have actually tried the POS myself.

 

[Trash]

Hey VD, how will you feel when your own game gets a 'waiting for the crack' thread like this one?

 

[Marsal]

Hey VD, how will you feel when your own game gets a 'waiting for the crack' thread like this one?

What game?

 

[flushfire]

Then they shouldn't travel with you in the first place. If they are willing to help you, I don't see a reason why they shouldn't be willing to accept your help.

Why not, it happens all the time. Home, school, workplace, codex. Can't always be with people you agree with.

 

[Wirdschowerdn]

Why would anyone pay for this shit Morgoth?

Because that's how an economy works. You gotta pay for a product/service.

You're probably one of those kids who grew up getting told how special you are and getting everything you wanted without opposition.

Think it's shit? Why play it then? Is this a fucking hobby of yours?

 

[Volourn]

Yeah, it is ludicrous to claim that you steal soemthing b/c you hate. People steal things because they like them. FFS

I'm gonna go steal that 40inch plasma tv my Neighbour has but I swear I hate it! I swear!

FFS

 

[Freelance Henchman]

It's funny, without the demo I might have bought DA2 sight unseen.

 

[aries202]

The problem with quests for your mates in DA: O was that you would do all that you could to unlock everything for everyone to sthat you could do their companion quests...

 

[Vault Dweller]

Hey VD, how will you feel when your own game gets a 'waiting for the crack' thread like this one?

Wouldn't care much. If FATE UNLOCK CODE thread has taught us anything it's that some people will always prefer to torrent. Why worry about things you can't change?

 

[Jaesun]

Why would anyone pay for this shit Morgoth?

Because that's how an economy works. You gotta pay for a product/service.

You're probably one of those kids who grew up getting told how special you are and getting everything you wanted without opposition.

Think it's shit? Why play it then? Is this a fucking hobby of yours?

I don't pirate games. And DA II is so fucking shitty I'll only be reading the LP when it comes out. That's it.

Not sure why you are so butthurt.

 

[Undead Phoenix]

It is an improvement, but that doesn't mean it's still not shit.

A one-axis influence system cannot be anything other than shit.

Excellent arguments, old chap. It's an improvement but it doesn't mean it's not shit because it can't be anything other than shit. Right-o.

Since when one-axis influence or reputation systems are shit by default? It was always a desirable feature when it comes to NPCs and factions, simply because 95% of games offer none, but now that we're talking about Bioware we should expect and accept only the best, which is what exactly?

It's a statement, not an argument. Just because something has improved doesn't automatically mean it's now the dog's bollocks. The best system, I think, would be a two-axis one: seperating influence into, say, 'respect' and 'friendship' for NPCs and something similar for factions. I'd like to see more than two, but I'd say it was a good point to comprimise on.

Funny how often posts can be summed up by the avatar

 

[Awor Szurkrarz]

Why would anyone pay for this shit Morgoth?

Because that's how an economy works. You gotta pay for a product/service.

Except that services somehow can be paid multiple times less depending on place? Fuck you, you privileged western pig. I bet you feel special because you never had really work for stuff you buy.

 

[Norfleet]

How did they manage to leak the PC version without the activation servers even being online? The reviewers were all taken to Gaider's bedroom to play the full game ffs

Obviously, this leak was for marketing purposes. That's why it comes with no crack and is thus inoperable.

 

[IronicNeurotic]

Hey VD, how will you feel when your own game gets a 'waiting for the crack' thread like this one?

Wouldn't care much. If FATE UNLOCK CODE thread has taught us anything it's that some people will always prefer to torrent. Why worry about things you can't change?

Will you even use any form of DRM?

 

[racofer]

I've just located a better release now with a .iso image and installer.



Re-acquiring.

 

[Monocause]

There are rumours posted on numerous sites that a couple of release groups already have working cracks and are testing it before release ATM. While I'm always sceptical about hearsay on the internet I say it'd be helluva lulz if it got cracked so fast - and would prove even further that spending cash on 'profeshunal' DRM measures is pointless.

Found a serial, installed it and waiting. Used the one uploaded on TPB by some nameless Chinese guy, dozens of comments - including mine - say it's legit.

 

[Pegultagol]

I will wait for a well written LP of the game, or even YouTube video walkthrough to satisfy what modicum of interest I have in the game. I want someone do some kind of MT3K treatment on this.

 

[Konjad]

Why would anyone pay for this shit Morgoth?

Because that's how an economy works. You gotta pay for a product/service.

You're probably one of those kids who grew up getting told how special you are and getting everything you wanted without opposition.

Think it's shit? Why play it then? Is this a fucking hobby of yours?

I don't pirate games. And DA II is so fucking shitty I'll only be reading the LP when it comes out. That's it.

Not sure why you are so butthurt.

I agree with Jaesun. If someone have to play this shit then torrent it. I buy games and I'm against piracy because due to it we often can't have nice things (ie. Troika death FFS) but sometimes it's a lesser evil. It's bad to pirate New Vegas, Risen, The Witcher etc. but in case of modern Bioware games... I'd rather recommend stealing than paying this evil company of perverted idiots because helping them would be like signing 'I support decline of cRPG and transforming this genre into cheap sim-porn-hack'n'slashes'

 

[Suchy]

I refuse to play a game, which designers expect me to be a retard.
Not buying, not torrenting.

 

[Volourn]

"modern Bioware games... I'd rather recommend stealing than paying this evil company of perverted idiots because helping them would be like signing 'I support decline of cRPG and transforming this genre into cheap sim-porn-hack'n'slashes'
"

How 'bout not playing them at all? If it's shit why would you fukkin'w aste your time? It's retarted.

I'm gonna go steal some Barbie doll now.. even thoguh I don't cre for them at all.

R00flesd1

 

[Reptilian Shapeshifter]

Why would anyone pay for this shit Morgoth?

Because that's how an economy works. You gotta pay for a product/service.

You're probably one of those kids who grew up getting told how special you are and getting everything you wanted without opposition.

Think it's shit? Why play it then? Is this a fucking hobby of yours?

The best reason not to play it is to avoid all the subliminal/subcon shit they put in these things, which is the real, underlying purpose of many of these "games", the same as TV. Altering human consciousness.

Paying for it would be like paying for a lobotomy.