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Darkest Dungeon II
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Larianshill
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Why are his evil advisors white?
9ted6
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Because Redhook are red cucks.
Reinhardt
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maybe they are ((()))
Iluvcheezcake
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Every day we stray further from God
CHEMS
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Bro its called leprosy
Why is lepper a nigger?
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He was p. white in DD1 tbh fam.
in dd 1 you had multiple color schemes so you could make him darker and make your own head canon idk why they though adding character stories was a good idea both the minigames and stories are trash
Because their designers are hacks that lucked out with the original game, everything they made after that is absolute trash.
Ghost Of Iron
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At least they've realized their error, one of the main problems with DD2 compared to DD1 is the fact you could not upgrade your roster and base over time. Instead of expanding on and improving that, which is what everyone was expecting, they removed it entirely. Now they're haphazardly putting some form of it back into the game, which is good, but I still think it may be too little, too late. DD2 needs massive improvements in order to be worth the time, it might get there eventually, but as of now it's still not really worth playing.
Yea good to see they are admitting they fucked the dog on this one, trying to shoehorn the original game mode back into this pile of trash is better than nothing I guess?
I am still shocked by how much I played DD1 compared to 2, pretty sure its the worst sequel to a game I have ever seen in my gaming history. I have genuinely tried to force myself to play it a few times, and I just can't do it, its as if they purposefully designed it to be abhorrent to people who enjoyed DD1.
Ghost Of Iron
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Yes, I genuinely don't understand how they failed to simply iterate on what DD did and instead went with this bizarre roguelike DD mixture that fails on both fronts. DD2 is neither engaging as a roguelike, since the runs take too long and there's too little variety in how you can approach a given run, and it fails as a DD game since they stripped out all the roster management, base building, and team building you could do in the first one. It felt really good in the first DD to finally build up a true team of killers, and you simply cannot replicate that in DD2. And the bandaids they put in to try and fix the problem simply aren't enough, spending candles of hope to get some minor bonus on a character (that you lose anyway if they ever die or are present on a failed run) is not the same as building them from the ground up level by level, trinket piece by trinket piece.
It felt really good in DD1 to get a nice, powerful trinket, when I get something like that in DD2, I barely care, since it's going to be gone and thrown back into the RNG pool as soon I'm done with the current run. You get no satisfaction out of building up anything in DD2, and to add insult to injury, the Candles Of Hope system, rather than feeling rewarding or fun, just feels spiteful and annoying. Grinding out candles just to access additional options (which in many cases aren't even useful, Wanderer Leper for example is still superior to all his other paths) is just aggravating, and it even pushes you into running the same team compositions over and over until you fully unlock all their build options and class trinkets, only to force you to do it all over again with the next set of classes you want to use. And by the time you're done with all of this, you're sick of and hate the game. Truly brilliant design.
It's just such a shame the game ended up like this, because the combat does feel better than DD1, (well, aside from the terrible relationship system which is a massive downgrade from the virtue/affliction system in DD1), and the characters animate quite beautifully, but it just doesn't matter because the core of the game is simply not fun to play.
It felt really good in DD1 to get a nice, powerful trinket, when I get something like that in DD2, I barely care, since it's going to be gone and thrown back into the RNG pool as soon I'm done with the current run. You get no satisfaction out of building up anything in DD2, and to add insult to injury, the Candles Of Hope system, rather than feeling rewarding or fun, just feels spiteful and annoying. Grinding out candles just to access additional options (which in many cases aren't even useful, Wanderer Leper for example is still superior to all his other paths) is just aggravating, and it even pushes you into running the same team compositions over and over until you fully unlock all their build options and class trinkets, only to force you to do it all over again with the next set of classes you want to use. And by the time you're done with all of this, you're sick of and hate the game. Truly brilliant design.
It's just such a shame the game ended up like this, because the combat does feel better than DD1, (well, aside from the terrible relationship system which is a massive downgrade from the virtue/affliction system in DD1), and the characters animate quite beautifully, but it just doesn't matter because the core of the game is simply not fun to play.
Its funny as this is a common occurrence, where someone makes something amazing and then the next thing they do makes you question if they actually had any idea what they were doing the first time around or it was a freak accident that they created something of quality.
I agree with your summary of the problems, and for me DD2 almost goes so far that I would think they purposefully changed everything to spite people, or they were so afraid of getting called out for making the same game twice? Its not as if DD1 was anything revolutionary in the first place, its a pretty generic game if you remove the art/aesthetics/sound design etc.
And you are correct that character progression is fundamentally flawed and thats probably the main reason I have no motivation to play it, dunno if the new game mode will fix that.
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Hasn't the game suffered enough of your baleful attention.
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