Diablo IV

[Kjaska]

Just play V Rising. It's only 20 bux and looks like a much more interesting game:

 

[Reinhardt]

I recommend looking at Wolcen.

come on, nigga, even d4 is not THAT bad

 

[Ryzer]

WOW is an MMO. Apples and oranges.

Guild Wars 1 is a pay-once and get everything. Being an MMO is not an excuse.

 

[ArchAngel]

Just play V Rising. It's only 20 bux and looks like a much more interesting game:

Isn't this MMO with PvP focus?

 

[Perkel]

Isn't this MMO with PvP focus?

You can play single player. But yeah. And it is very tedious as you have there crafting ala funcom games so you build forge to build better weapons in typical mmo crafting fashion.

Out of all arpgs on market there are only D2, POE and Grim Dawn that could be considered D4 rivals. Rest are either retarded (V rising), undercooked(Last Epoch) or just straight up bad (Diablo3). They aren't perfect though as each have their own issues but they have some benefits that outweigh problems.

 

[Yosharian]

WOW is an MMO. Apples and oranges.

Guild Wars 1 is a pay-once and get everything. Being an MMO is not an excuse.

Please let's not pretend that GW1/2 have anywhere near the content of WoW

WoW's content is mostly shit, but that's a different issue

 

[toro]

Some of these fights are ridiculous. This guy keeps spawning like elite tier enemies. Not sure what I can do except get raped.

git gud

edit: honestly, the game is easy af.

 

[toro]

Just play V Rising. It's only 20 bux and looks like a much more interesting game:

Yes ... because vampires were born to cut wood and build sawmills. Fml

 

[Kjaska]

Yes ... because vampires were born to cut wood and build sawmills. Fml

There is resource gathering in D4 as well, jfyi.

 

[Tyrr]

Some of these fights are ridiculous. This guy keeps spawning like elite tier enemies. Not sure what I can do except get raped.

The wrong build/class to overcome the level scaling.
Better luck next time.

 

[Perkel]

There is resource gathering in D4 as well, jfyi.

Which you don't need to do because all resources can be gathered just from doing stuff other than gathering. Only time I ever gather resources was at start for like 5 minutes since then not even once.

V Rising resources and crafting ala mmo is main part of game.

 

[Latelistener]

Since the thread seems to gravitate towards: what to play that isn't Diablo 4 (and not Poe, not Grim Dawn, not Last Epoch, not Diablo Resurrected while we're at it), I recommend looking at Wolcen.

To be honest it was a bit of a shock for me to see D4 gameplay after Wolcen. I thought it was some kind of indie game for $20 from Steam.

I mean, Wolcen has Mixed reviews on Steam and yet, it's more dynamic, visually impressive and has better animations. And it was about $10 on Steam.

Spoiler

 

[Mortmal]

Just play V Rising. It's only 20 bux and looks like a much more interesting game:

Isn't this MMO with PvP focus?

It isnt , its more like those semi mmo ark clones or valheim with less content and shittier gameplay. It was rated overwhelmingly positive at launch as every fun titles when there's nothing else to play. Gameplay isnt that great , 20 hours to see everything, the fortress building is shallow , was quickly bored with it. If you play this with friends its certainly another story, but that can be said for every games.
Also early access, enough said...

 

[ArchAngel]

Just play V Rising. It's only 20 bux and looks like a much more interesting game:

Isn't this MMO with PvP focus?

It isnt , its more like those semi mmo ark clones or valheim with less content and shittier gameplay. It was rated overwhelmingly positive at launch as every fun titles when there's nothing else to play. Gameplay isnt that great , 20 hours to see everything, the fortress building is shallow , was quickly bored with it. If you play this with friends its certainly another story, but that can be said for every games.
Also early access, enough said...

But Ziz was also talking about people attacking their fortress and how someone needed to guard it all the time.. that sounds like very cancer PvP gameplay in the vein of Travian type of games.

 

[Mortmal]

Just play V Rising. It's only 20 bux and looks like a much more interesting game:

Isn't this MMO with PvP focus?

It isnt , its more like those semi mmo ark clones or valheim with less content and shittier gameplay. It was rated overwhelmingly positive at launch as every fun titles when there's nothing else to play. Gameplay isnt that great , 20 hours to see everything, the fortress building is shallow , was quickly bored with it. If you play this with friends its certainly another story, but that can be said for every games.
Also early access, enough said...

But Ziz was also talking about people attacking their fortress and how someone needed to guard it all the time.. that sounds like very cancer PvP gameplay in the vein of Travian type of games.

Yes on dedicated pvp servers ,exactly like ark, so most people will play pve when they dont have an army of jobless dudes guarding the fortress 24/24.

 

[spectre]

come on, nigga, even d4 is not THAT bad

We are scraping the bottom of the barrel, aren't we?

I mean, Wolcen has Mixed reviews on Steam and yet, it's more dynamic, visually impressive and has better animations. And it was about $10 on Steam.

Yeah, for one, Wolcel actually has colors, but not a whole lot of pentagrams. Not gonna lie, some backdrops were really impressive, yet still has this generic feel to it.
The devs are obviously big blizz fanboys, cause they copied a lot of everything (even the zerg aesthetic is in there at one point).

Now, I don't really want to shill for the game too much cause it's good for what it is, I also got it on a big sale and it played surprisingly well.
It's not one of those games where you pick it up as a second job, as you plumb the endless depths...and honestly, thank fuck for that.

A lot of the negative reviews, once you read into them, are about the bad release (sorry, you need to be blizzard and +10 years to get off the hook), also lots of bugs in online play.
I've played it offline and there was nothing gamebreaking. Had a waypoint glitch out on me one time (quickly fixed by going back to menu), picking up items sometimes gets buggy,
but most of the time it was jumping skills acting weird in confined areas.

The better animations is debatable. A lot of the skills replace your currently wielded weapon for an appropriate summon (made me chuckle, cause it seems blizz in a way appropriated that
as their barbarian mechanic), but I would agree that they feel just right. They already start feeling decently powerful, and you can diddle with them even further
by switching the damage type and toggling various modifiers, some of which fundamentally change how a skill works.
Lategame, you can even duplicate the same skill on the bar if you want a completely different flavor for it (or want to circumvent cooldowns).
I may be selling it short, but it's what D3's skill system should have been in the first place, and it's much more freeform.

 

[Perkel]

Wolcen combat itself is amazing, easily one of the best combat feelings in ARPG if not the best. The issue is everything else is just shite. The worst part is that there isn't much content. Campaign is pretty lengthy but outside of that there isn't anything to do not in end game sense because there is endgame but in sense that itemization is shite, there are like 15 unique items total that do anything interesting and there are like handful of skills in classless game.

From what I know game was years delayed until owner threw out old team hired some people on contracts up to release of game. Once game released everyone was let go outside of some small support team. People who took over took like 2 years to patch it to point where you can actually play game without bugs.

 

[tritosine2k]

Wolcen is fucked up because enemies dont use same skills as players, there's no resist/curse/penetration system etc. Just ailment stack and more ailment = better. So there can't be meaningful synergies.
idk what they thought how on earth simple level scaling hp bloat wouldn't look stupid.

 

[mediocrepoet]

Wolcen is so shit, I can't believe anyone lasts long enough with it to figure out if the late game combat is any good. It's one of the worst games in the genre I've played.

 

[Zarniwoop]

So, is it shit?

Lolwtf battle.net still exists? Do I need to dig out my old AOL CD to access this shit over my 28.8k modem?

 

[mediocrepoet]

So, is it shit?

Lolwtf battle.net still exists? Do I need to dig out my old AOL CD to access this shit over my 28.8k modem?

Nice. At least now you can play a guy of whatever class so if you're playing an archer, you don't get hit on by weird kids online.

 

[Kjaska]

giga nerd technical review of the console performance

 

[Lyric Suite]

WOW is an MMO. Apples and oranges.

Guild Wars 1 is a pay-once and get everything. Being an MMO is not an excuse.

Guild Wars is not an MMO. It's basically Diablo but with a town instead of a chat room.

 

[Baron Dupek]

 

[Infinitron]

Lmao, what the hell is this? It's like something out of the 2000s, "hot gamer grrl licking her controller" vibes. I'm honestly impressed.