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Diablo IV

Justinian

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It's not bloated dogshit like PoE where you're forced into trading if you want viable builds
This is fake news. By definition, all viable league start builds are those which don't rely on rare uniques or difficult to craft rares and there is a substantial portion of the playerbase who enjoy playing without trading at all.
Yes. The mistake people make with PoE is assuming it is as youtube/streamers portray it; well, it doesn't have to be. You can have a ton of fun playing at your own pace fucking around with builds to your heart's content. Will everything be viable for speedrunning to endgame and grinding maximum currency? No. Does this matter at all? No.
PoE is specifically designed to waste hours of your time doing the same content over and over again to prevent you from "fucking around with builds". Don't like your current build? Time to make a new one and replay the same tiresome content you went through again and again.
 

Saravan

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I tried the free editions they let you play, Diablo III seemed really bad, I thought maybe the free version was being hamstrung because I did not pay for it..but people said no...it played on rails..just from lookin Diablo IV looks much better and I assume it is.

D3 is really bad. At release it was total shite then they introduced 2.0 patch that pretty much reworked loot and added end game. After that patch it was much better but new issue popped up where sets became so important that overshadowed everything which meant game was still broken in the end just in different way.
Absolutely wrong, "smart" loot and such retarded mechanics as toughness and unified "main stat" for every class killed the game on top of ballooning the damage numbers and skill/build variety. Removal of the AH also made the game worse as it was designed with it in mind.
It was just way too streamlined. It’s not like D2 is super complex either but at least there was an attempt to add some depth to the stats. This is what is bothersome with D4, it didn’t even reach that level even though the expectation should be a much more refined version of D2. Of course, unrealistic when the dev team is completely different from Blizz North and a new gen of playerbase that mostly migrated from D3.
 

Goldschmidt

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I love the level scaling so you are forced to make meaningful choices where to go.
I love there is no trading so your items have value.
I love there is big world bosses because WoW is the best game ever.
I love there are so many high quality cutscenes because gameplay is all that matters in a game.
I love the user interface so you can tell this game was designed for pc.
I love the female druid because feminity should be cherished.
I love the fact you can spend hundreds of dollars ingame because this is a clear sign of game quality.

Diablo 4 >>>> Planescape Torment, Underrail, Fallout and Disco Elysium combined.
 
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Perkel

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Absolutely wrong, "smart" loot and such retarded mechanics as toughness and unified "main stat" for every class killed the game on top of ballooning the damage numbers and skill/build variety. Removal of the AH also made the game worse as it was designed with it in mind.

There are two versions of D3. One is from release you are talking about and one is after 2.0. They are totally different games. 2.0 inherits base stats being garbage but they don't matter as legendary items with powers you can equip overtake completely any stats on gear. This is fun for say 20-30 hours before you start getting your proper set items and there are things on them like +14000% damage which basically anihilates any kind of item and all sets effectively are like people builds. So you don't even build anything yourself, you just collect parts of build developers prepared to play that build.

1.0 of D3 was just garbage all around. Everything was bad about it including AH which sold best gear for nothing in like days.
 

Lyric Suite

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Diablo 4 players:

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Crispy

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- Buy the game two days early and install it on your gay PS5

- Coom all over the game, coom all over your goth sorcerer build, coom all over RPG Codex about it

- Actual release day hits, "I CAN'T LOG IN NOW WHO DO I SUE?FG"

Your IQ is 66.
 

gurugeorge

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OK, so given that I'm not a huge ARPG fan, but quite enjoyed PoE (for the buildfaggery) and Grim Dawn (for the imaginative setting and the buildfaggery), is this any good? I quite like the art design of it (it looks quite PoE-ish, amusingly enough).
 

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OK, so given that I'm not a huge ARPG fan, but quite enjoyed PoE (for the buildfaggery) and Grim Dawn (for the imaginative setting and the buildfaggery), is this any good? I quite like the art design of it (it looks quite PoE-ish, amusingly enough).
from what I understand there are a couple of builds per character total so far and only 1-2 really viable builds per character
 

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I still think that the D4 announce cinematic is top tier and very Diablo-ish. Don’t have much hopes about the game sadly. Are there any gameplay videos without commentary yet?
 

Mortmal

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OK, so given that I'm not a huge ARPG fan, but quite enjoyed PoE (for the buildfaggery) and Grim Dawn (for the imaginative setting and the buildfaggery), is this any good? I quite like the art design of it (it looks quite PoE-ish, amusingly enough).
It feels like diablo 2 , especially the rubber banding like in the time i was using a 56K modem. Gameplay is not revolutionary but is as good as poe or grimdawn. But in 2023, no doubt later they will do even worse, its really peak greed. Every armor you loot look like shit, and the only way i can see so far to get a good looking one is 25 euros, by character type, in the shop. So get that game only if you have nothing else to play and dont care about money.
 

Lemming42

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I want to play this but a confluence of factors has made it unviable - ludicrous price tag (even for the "basic" version), not being available on Steam or GoG or other sane platforms, and always-online bullshit.

It's like game developers nowadays actively don't want you to buy their game. It's like running a fucking obstacle course, and your reward is a letdown.
 

Mortmal

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I want to play this but a confluence of factors has made it unviable - ludicrous price tag (even for the "basic" version), not being available on Steam or GoG or other sane platforms, and always-online bullshit.

It's like game developers nowadays actively don't want you to buy their game. It's like running a fucking obstacle course, and your reward is a letdown.
Working very well for them , fastest selling blizzard game ever. They know what they are doing and have enough data to know how much they can push the macro transactions.They have no reason to put it on steam, steam is getting a cut of it, GOG is unsignificant. Its famous enough so people will look for it, and its impossible to pirate it.There's nothing else to get atm unlike you have a switch, no competition.
 

Kjaska

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I still think that the D4 announce cinematic is top tier and very Diablo-ish. Don’t have much hopes about the game sadly. Are there any gameplay videos without commentary yet?
Just turn on any stream on twitch and turn off the sound? Or scroll down in the category until you get people with really low viewers, who don't talk much.
 

Seethe

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NGL, D4 looks like a texture pack for D3 from what I've been seeing.
Any truth to my instincts on this?
Gameplay also feels a lot like D3 did. It is basically D3.5
Did Diablo 3 have this "spam weak resource generating ability to blow it all on cooldowns" design? I can't remember. I'm asking because WoW has this disgusting class design right now which destroyed the last shreds of class identity, and I'm not sure if D4 copied D3 or WoW.
 

PapaPetro

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Did Diablo 3 have this "spam weak resource generating ability to blow it all on cooldowns" design? I can't remember. I'm asking because WoW has this disgusting class design right now which destroyed the last shreds of class identity, and I'm not sure if D4 copied D3 or WoW.
If devs were smart, they'd remove cooldowns and replace them with diminished returns with at-will spamming abilities.
Players would have to figure out self-control to not overspam skills e.g. the fireball
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each time you cast it like it's going out of style.
 
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gurugeorge

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I want to play this but a confluence of factors has made it unviable - ludicrous price tag (even for the "basic" version), not being available on Steam or GoG or other sane platforms, and always-online bullshit.

It's like game developers nowadays actively don't want you to buy their game. It's like running a fucking obstacle course, and your reward is a letdown.

It's often said of capitalism that it kinda works in the sense that it does produce stuff we want, most of the time, and produce it well. And that's true to an extent, but there seems to be a level of development of capitalist institutions where they no longer really work on the profit principle, but start to compete for market share, and/or promote their hobby-horses. Which is natural, really, but should be carefully monitored by a democratically-elected State.

There seems to be a point where capitalist product actually gets more clunky and shoddy instead of more streamlined and shiny. That's been the case a lot with computers in some areas (e.g. the proliferation of office make-work, when we were promised a "paperless office").

In a way, this is both a libertarian argument that they (big capitalists) are not behaving in a properly capitalist manner (they're not maximizing profit, but a kind of dominance hierarchy status that's outside the domain of economic behaviour proper) and a Left-wing argument against corporate greed.

Do we really hate the small businessman, the entrepreneur, the shopkeeper? No, in fact the way capitalism develops in the real world, it seems to shut such people out - i.e. the middle class gets squeezed out, and you have the super-rich and the plebs, with a merely managerial (not entrepreneurial) class inbeetween. As Burns said, "there's many a slip 'twixt cup and lip" and something goes wrong with the capitalist process at some scales and in some conditions. The best thing for capitalism is actually a strong state that rules with a light hand, a state capable of severely punishing capitalist malfeasance, and very willing to do so if necessary, but that leaves capitalist acts between consenting adults free, so long as they're not harmful.

Oh God, am I becoming a libertarian again? :)
 

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NGL, D4 looks like a texture pack for D3 from what I've been seeing.
Any truth to my instincts on this?
Gameplay also feels a lot like D3 did. It is basically D3.5
Did Diablo 3 have this "spam weak resource generating ability to blow it all on cooldowns" design? I can't remember. I'm asking because WoW has this disgusting class design right now which destroyed the last shreds of class identity, and I'm not sure if D4 copied D3 or WoW.
Yeah, it's D3 design yet somehow feels worse and with some retarded animations imo.
 

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