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Diablo IV
- Thread starter Wulfric Pinewood
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Game is working much better tonight. I log right in, don't get timed out or stuck in a queue. All those filthy noobs must have gotten filtered.
I'm kind of annoyed that I wasted 90% of my early access time just doing sidequests. Seems kind of pointless in retrospect with the level scaling what it be.
I'm kind of annoyed that I wasted 90% of my early access time just doing sidequests. Seems kind of pointless in retrospect with the level scaling what it be.
Reinhardt
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yeah, it was good in that sense. same with tavern fight in d2 opening. please, more this, less ANGELDEMONNEPHALEM!!1 shit.
I like the Sorceress' voice actress. She's got a bit of an Ellen Ripley thing goin on.
Just play Lost Ark if you like to try this kind of a game.
Game even has a little Diablo 1 nostalgia moment. Ain't worth spoiler tagging it because they've done it since D2. It's a lame joke at this point. Why keep referencing that game when you clearly have no desire to make anything like it ever again? I just rolled my eyes the whole time.
Lyric Suite
Converting to Islam
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Yosharian
Arcane
Lost Ark is so fucking bad. I couldn't stand more than 20-30 mins of it.
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My coworkers are bothering me to get this, so I looked it up. 70 euro for the cheap version on pc. Already talking about battlepasses and shit. HAHAHAHAHAHA nope.
ArchAngel
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This is my reaction as well. For about 40E or less I think there could be some value from this game but this is not worth the full AAA price.
Yosharian
Arcane
Yeah it's Blizzard so it's kinda to be expected but holy shit full on whale MTX ($20 for a skin) AND full price AAA lmao
Reinhardt
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lost ark had gud story dungeons. and big end-game boss fights were not that retarded d4 thingy. at least you couldn't overwhelm them with random human wave, because there was limited number of character respawns, shared by your whole party, so no suicide retards allowed. d4 world bosses is random area boss tier from lost ark.
Some of these fights are ridiculous. This guy keeps spawning like elite tier enemies. Not sure what I can do except get raped.
While I agree with the overall notion, that capitalism requires some clear rules of behavior and an inevitable punishment for messing with them, I don’t agree that the current big capitalists are not behaving in a properly capitalist manner. Their race for market influence and dominance is very much aimed at increasing profits (whether it is camouflaged as projecting a popular agenda or even if it seems like a stupid idea like making access to their products more convoluted), which they successfully achieve as we can observe. Overall it is very natural for capitalism to strive for power and in the end to be the power.
It's often said of capitalism that it kinda works in the sense that it does produce stuff we want, most of the time, and produce it well. And that's true to an extent, but there seems to be a level of development of capitalist institutions where they no longer really work on the profit principle, but start to compete for market share, and/or promote their hobby-horses. Which is natural, really, but should be carefully monitored by a democratically-elected State.
There seems to be a point where capitalist product actually gets more clunky and shoddy instead of more streamlined and shiny. That's been the case a lot with computers in some areas (e.g. the proliferation of office make-work, when we were promised a "paperless office").
In a way, this is both a libertarian argument that they (big capitalists) are not behaving in a properly capitalist manner (they're not maximizing profit, but a kind of dominance hierarchy status that's outside the domain of economic behaviour proper) and a Left-wing argument against corporate greed.
Do we really hate the small businessman, the entrepreneur, the shopkeeper? No, in fact the way capitalism develops in the real world, it seems to shut such people out - i.e. the middle class gets squeezed out, and you have the super-rich and the plebs, with a merely managerial (not entrepreneurial) class inbeetween. As Burns said, "there's many a slip 'twixt cup and lip" and something goes wrong with the capitalist process at some scales and in some conditions. The best thing for capitalism is actually a strong state that rules with a light hand, a state capable of severely punishing capitalist malfeasance, and very willing to do so if necessary, but that leaves capitalist acts between consenting adults free, so long as they're not harmful.
Oh God, am I becoming a libertarian again?
Ryzer
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This kind of fuckery can be traced back to Wow when they sold a fully-priced game (60$) + extensions (which is fine) and mandatory monthly subscriptions(which is not) to get the full content.
I remember that they wanted to sell skins separately in Diablo 1 in discs that you had to pay for but they ditched the idea.
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I had to shut it off. I was on the verge of destroying expensive shit. Almost chucked my controller into the tv screen. What a stupid fuckin fight. I have zero patience for that bullshit.
The trouble is that the pursuit of the woke agenda is bad for profits. This is the conundrum of "get woke, go broke" - it's actually true, corporations do lose money for pursuing the woke/globalist agenda, but it doesn't make any difference, because BlackRock, Vanguard, etc., are willing to throw untold amounts of money at pumping it.While I agree with the overall notion, that capitalism requires some clear rules of behavior and an inevitable punishment for messing with them, I don’t agree that the current big capitalists are not behaving in a properly capitalist manner. Their race for market influence and dominance is very much aimed at increasing profits (whether it is camouflaged as projecting a popular agenda or even if it seems like a stupid idea like making access to their products more convoluted), which they successfully achieve as we can observe. Overall it is very natural for capitalism to strive for power and in the end to be the power.
It's often said of capitalism that it kinda works in the sense that it does produce stuff we want, most of the time, and produce it well. And that's true to an extent, but there seems to be a level of development of capitalist institutions where they no longer really work on the profit principle, but start to compete for market share, and/or promote their hobby-horses. Which is natural, really, but should be carefully monitored by a democratically-elected State.
There seems to be a point where capitalist product actually gets more clunky and shoddy instead of more streamlined and shiny. That's been the case a lot with computers in some areas (e.g. the proliferation of office make-work, when we were promised a "paperless office").
In a way, this is both a libertarian argument that they (big capitalists) are not behaving in a properly capitalist manner (they're not maximizing profit, but a kind of dominance hierarchy status that's outside the domain of economic behaviour proper) and a Left-wing argument against corporate greed.
Do we really hate the small businessman, the entrepreneur, the shopkeeper? No, in fact the way capitalism develops in the real world, it seems to shut such people out - i.e. the middle class gets squeezed out, and you have the super-rich and the plebs, with a merely managerial (not entrepreneurial) class inbeetween. As Burns said, "there's many a slip 'twixt cup and lip" and something goes wrong with the capitalist process at some scales and in some conditions. The best thing for capitalism is actually a strong state that rules with a light hand, a state capable of severely punishing capitalist malfeasance, and very willing to do so if necessary, but that leaves capitalist acts between consenting adults free, so long as they're not harmful.
Oh God, am I becoming a libertarian again?
IOW, people think the woke agenda is pushed to "tick boxes" to appease a certain audience and make money off them. But that's obviously not the case, because while there's certainly a percentage of hardcore people who are into the woke/globalist agenda, for the most part it's hugely unpopular - so that, if they wanted to actually make money they would appeal to normal interests. This has been shown in a small way with the movies that do become hits, like Top Gun or the last big Spidey movie. Those are the sorts of things the vast majority of people want, but seldom get, because pushing the Narrative is more important.
But I guess that's getting too much into politics for this thread.
Yosharian
Arcane
WOW is an MMO. Apples and oranges.
spectre
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Since the thread seems to gravitate towards: what to play that isn't Diablo 4 (and not Poe, not Grim Dawn, not Last Epoch, not Diablo Resurrected while we're at it), I recommend looking at Wolcen.
While it still has that meme quality: - Son, we have Biadlo 4 at home, combat is very dynamic and it flows in a very similar way. I think D4 directly lifted some of its mechanics,
like the dash charges. Itemization is just as bad but skills were actually quite satisfying and much more customizable. It also has a PoE-like skill wheel which you can rotate.
Now, as it is still a Diablo 4 thread, I'm still on a fence, but suppose I will cave if I ever see a good deal for it. It looks like a proper product and an honest attempt to unfuck D3.
They really want to milk the Diablo nostalgia for all its worth, I even recognized some of the shrine descriptions ("Arcane power brings forth destruction") are lifted from D1.
Shit I dislike the most (from my limited time with the slam and looking at the videos) are the skills. As I mouse over the tree, my most frequent reaction is: the fuck would I even waste a point here?
6 second duration on a 15 second cooldown? Your grace is too kind. And the exclusive choices seem to be do I want a turd sandwich or a maggot salad.
My understanding is that the skills purposedly feel underpowered so that there is still a bit of leeway to augment them through other systems.
Another crappy thing is "encounter" design (though to be fair, very few games in the genre do it in a way I'd consider exemplary). If we can even call those encounters.
The game basically dumps enemies on your ass. Don't get me wrong, it's cool to get ambushed every now and then, but from what I've seen, this is ridiculous.
There's basically no such thing cautiously approaching a door before you clear a room, because the enemies will probably teleport right on your ass.
While it still has that meme quality: - Son, we have Biadlo 4 at home, combat is very dynamic and it flows in a very similar way. I think D4 directly lifted some of its mechanics,
like the dash charges. Itemization is just as bad but skills were actually quite satisfying and much more customizable. It also has a PoE-like skill wheel which you can rotate.
Now, as it is still a Diablo 4 thread, I'm still on a fence, but suppose I will cave if I ever see a good deal for it. It looks like a proper product and an honest attempt to unfuck D3.
They really want to milk the Diablo nostalgia for all its worth, I even recognized some of the shrine descriptions ("Arcane power brings forth destruction") are lifted from D1.
Shit I dislike the most (from my limited time with the slam and looking at the videos) are the skills. As I mouse over the tree, my most frequent reaction is: the fuck would I even waste a point here?
6 second duration on a 15 second cooldown? Your grace is too kind. And the exclusive choices seem to be do I want a turd sandwich or a maggot salad.
My understanding is that the skills purposedly feel underpowered so that there is still a bit of leeway to augment them through other systems.
Another crappy thing is "encounter" design (though to be fair, very few games in the genre do it in a way I'd consider exemplary). If we can even call those encounters.
The game basically dumps enemies on your ass. Don't get me wrong, it's cool to get ambushed every now and then, but from what I've seen, this is ridiculous.
There's basically no such thing cautiously approaching a door before you clear a room, because the enemies will probably teleport right on your ass.
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