Diablo IV

[Yosharian]

I think what Nathir is trying to say is that if a character can buy a specific appearance from the game store, that that ruins any immersion the game might have because that appearance effectively came out of thin air from the perspective of the game world.

 

[Nathir]

Lol, muh immersion. How can you talk about immersion when the character just runs forward spamming overdesigned skills, while monsters don't even flinch. They glow white and a damage number pops up. Look at the death animations in D1. Compare killing a hidden one to killing something in D3/D4. See how certain monsters recoil, while others like black knights immediately recover. D4 they just glow white and run at you. In general, monster design is bad and wow inspired. How can you talk about immersion when your character can buy gear for real money, straight out of the game? Lore? Story? Blizzard can't write anything worth shit. Ever since SC2 all their stories have been complete garbage, D4 is no exception. This atmosphere and immersion are exactly what elevated D1 and D2. But D3 and D4 lack.

I'm not listening to this.

 

[Fedora Master]

Last warning.

Other megathreads fester with bullshit and meaningless drivel but in here it's suddenly a problem. Curious.

 

[Riddler]

Last warning.

Other megathreads fester with bullshit and meaningless drivel but in here it's suddenly a problem. Curious.

Must be the joos!!

 

[KIss My Ass]

Lol, muh immersion. How can you talk about immersion when the character just runs forward spamming overdesigned skills, while monsters don't even flinch. They glow white and a damage number pops up. Look at the death animations in D1. Compare killing a hidden one to killing something in D3/D4. See how certain monsters recoil, while others like black knights immediately recover. D4 they just glow white and run at you. In general, monster design is bad and wow inspired. How can you talk about immersion when your character can buy gear for real money, straight out of the game? Lore? Story? Blizzard can't write anything worth shit. Ever since SC2 all their stories have been complete garbage, D4 is no exception. This atmosphere and immersion are exactly what elevated D1 and D2. But D3 and D4 lack.

I'm not listening to this.

I also live in fear but in different ways. We're in this together. Don't take what I say too hard. I had to grow up with that kind of voice but actually in my face. It's scary shit.

 

[abija]

At least the smaller enemies "flinch". Get some glasses.

 

[Kjaska]

Apparently it took him 15 attempts in order to win with this strat:



Ben_ goes over the build after the kill and cheat death scrolls are fucking stupid.

 

[Yosharian]

Hmm I watched some gameplay just to remind myself, and the monsters do go flying when you kill them. Bosses don't, I guess? But did they in D2? Been so long since I played I can't remember

Anyway I take back my previous comment

 

[abija]

It's not only about flying, but reacting to hits, and it's probably based on amount of hp/monster type. Fighting some normal shield knights is very obvious.

 

[KIss My Ass]

Unhinged 6 min response to five sentences.

But was I wrong?

 

[Zlaja]

you need to fix the hate in your heart that will destroy your life

If someone did that they might stop visiting the Codex. Fuck that! We can't afford to lose more bodies.

Lol, muh immersion. How can you talk about immersion when the character just runs forward spamming overdesigned skills, while monsters don't even flinch. They glow white and a damage number pops up. Look at the death animations in D1. Compare killing a hidden one to killing something in D3/D4. See how certain monsters recoil, while others like black knights immediately recover. D4 they just glow white and run at you. In general, monster design is bad and wow inspired. How can you talk about immersion when your character can buy gear for real money, straight out of the game? Lore? Story? Blizzard can't write anything worth shit. Ever since SC2 all their stories have been complete garbage, D4 is no exception. This atmosphere and immersion are exactly what elevated D1 and D2. But D3 and D4 lack

You got some good points here, mixed with some try-hard nonsense. The latter being "enemies don't react" which is false and calling monster design "wow inspired". Also, you can turn the damage numbers off (thank fuck).

Regarding what I said about immersion: I was simply saying that this is what the game AIMS to achieve with its design. To the point where they sacrifized fluidity of gameplay in favor of it and to the point where your enjoyment of D4 might very well depend on whether you end up liking the game's setting/lore/story/sidequests. Basically, if the game fails to immerse you, then you won't enjoy it much. Also, you probably won't enjoy it if you're looking for that quick "pick up 'n play" quality that D2 had.

 

[Perkel]

doubt POE2 will improve that as it is just POE1 + some small tweaks and new graphics.

so... just like d4 compared to d3?

D4 to D3 is bigger difference than POE2 will be to POE1

 

[Clockwork Knight]

I think what Nathir is trying to say is that if a character can buy a specific appearance from the game store, that that ruins any immersion the game might have because that appearance effectively came out of thin air from the perspective of the game world.

You're buying it from the NPC that operates the store.

 

[Yosharian]

So apparently Whoopi Goldberg is a big Diablo fan and she is pissed off that D4 isn't available for Mac.

Cos it's not like she could just buy a maxed-out Windows gaming PC with her pocket change or anything

Why are rich people so stupid and obnoxious

 

[Zlaja]

Whoopi Goldberg

Would make a great Diablo villain.

 

[mediocrepoet]

Whoopi Goldberg

Would make a great Diablo villain druid.

 

[La vie sexuelle]

Looking how revealing are female clothes in this game and how sex-focuses, even if cringy, is Blizzard marketing for this game, make me wonder, if Blizzard expects a change of social climate. Who knows, maybe we are on the threshold of second sexual revolution in the gaming industry?

Or, again, everything drowns in Twitter bog...

 

[v1c70r14]

Must be the joos!!

Nobody said anything about the jews and you post this. You don't think that's a bit weird? Posters notice people in power are very selectively being faggots and your first thought is jews? Curious.

Anyhow I came to this thread to give Diablo the final rites, apparently the target audience consists of e-simps, Whoopee Goldberg and the drunkest guy on the Codex. There is no way the series will recover now. Before launch and the public KFC beta it looked like it might be interesting, the art direction not looking like WoW or Overwatch and the devs stealing ideas from German Diablo clones from the 00's. Whatever hope existed that it might be a half decent game even if decline is now squashed.

In some regards this should have been predictable. The cancerous parts of D2 were bound to take over in a live service game. You can't have the moody atmospheric descent into hell, corpses of villagers and soldiers strewn about, the burning pits of the abyss becoming unbearable doesn't fit into the content stream meant to get people into playing as a second job, doing events and min-maxing to melt bosses together with friends. There are so many things which made the first game worth experiencing that can't exist within the economic milieu of current year AAA gaming. The player can't be stuck in a tiny backwater village if you want to sell them horse armor. The story and setting must have certain things if you want that ESG funding. There can never be any real catharsis if you want to keep them on the hamsterwheel spending money forever.

Diablo is dead but that's fine, it was always an very overrated series and if you want to have that descent that grips you, is tight, and will offer a satisfying conclusion like Diablo did there is always Bone Totem. It might be a different genre but it still scratches that same spot the best parts of D1 and D2 did. Feeling like you're stumbling into something you shouldn't have instead of giving you the Chinese gold farmer experience.

 

[Artyoan]

Diablo is dead but that's fine, it was always an very overrated series

Most IP's were never well suited to become a series. Even in the better days of Bliizzard the trend of D1's backwater village to D2's globe-trotting and killing the three brothers was an unsustainable step toward one-upping the previous chapter. D3 just continued the idiocy with combining all the evils. D4 had to take the approach of almost being a soft reboot. The next Diablo game will be a full reboot.

WoW is probably the best example of a game that had nothing left to tell but does anyway because money is still flowing. It would be soulless to have to write anything for that. The writers are probably praying for a full reboot there.

 

[Lyric Suite]

So apparently Whoopi Goldberg is a big Diablo fan

 

[Perkel]

D4 had to take the approach of almost being a soft reboot. The next Diablo game will be a full reboot.

Nah, D4 will feature all evils no doubt about that. Mephisto is foreshadowed in story itself, here are 2 full expansion in production right now and they said that they plan to do very frequent updates as true live service game.
Aside from expansions there will be league content which starts in like a half month.

They are aping POE.

 

[ind33d]

apparently blizzard fired its entire support staff, this guy has been trying to refund D4 because it won't run on his machine and he only gets back AI-generated form letters

 

[Cyberarmy]

Cos it's not like she could just buy a maxed-out Windows gaming PC with her pocket change or anything

It is a Mac thing, my uncle started using Mac for his business years ago and he got used to it. PC is so alien to him.

 

[mediocrepoet]

Cos it's not like she could just buy a maxed-out Windows gaming PC with her pocket change or anything

It is a Mac thing, my uncle started using Mac for his business years ago and he got used to it. PC is so alien to him.

Macs, not even once.

 

[Arbiter]

apparently blizzard fired its entire support staff, this guy has been trying to refund D4 because it won't run on his machine and he only gets back AI-generated form letters

It's a feature, not a bug.