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Shadenuat

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Rogue/action shouldn't have any skill trees. The gameplay is action and beating monsters, finding items. Leave such things to more party based and narrative driven games, since character building in them affects more than just one aspect of the game, and creating a strong party is more interesting than one character who ends up just clicking on things. You end up your game as just a used blanket for your overly complex "character system" which is about getting higher number and choosing between projectiles of different colors.
I liked books from Divine Divinity 1. Skills were hidden around the game so your character ability was based on exploring, collecting gold and buying them and looting places.
 

abija

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Diablo 2 is too simple to even be dumbed down. Pretty sure D3 is more complex atm, just ruined by the zoom zoom (cause higher ups have no balls) and the absolute retarded way they improved set bonuses.
 

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Therefore the answer will always be Diablo 2. There aren't any competitors, there have never been any. Nor is there another uncontested king, other than it.
Agreed. Though I will always have a soft spot for the Champions of Norrath games. After I lost my PC those were the next best thing at the time and I played the shit out of them.
 

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Blizzervision isn't capable of creating new titles worth playing.
 

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I really felt like that this complete genre was lost to me when Path of Exile turned out to be the next Median XL instead of the next Diablo 1.
What about Grim Dawn, Hades, Last Epoch, Children of Morta or others? I have never heard of them having a zoom zoom issue before.
There aren't any competitors, there have never been any. Nor is there another uncontested king, other than it.
Sure, grandpa. It's time to take your medicine and go back to the D2 thread now, okay?
 

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I really felt like that this complete genre was lost to me when Path of Exile turned out to be the next Median XL instead of the next Diablo 1.
What about Grim Dawn, Hades, Last Epoch, Children of Morta or others? I have never heard of them having a zoom zoom issue before.
Not quite as extreme as PoE, but they are certainly more "zoomy" than D1.

Grim Dawn is pretty close to the slower but atmospheric gameplay of D1 in the beginning of the game, pretty much up until the Warden I would say.
Hades feels like a different genre. Much more arcade elements, with fun but twitchy gameplay.
Last Epoch: similar comment as I made for Grim Dawn, only I feel that the "D1 Phase" is even shorter? Can of course still change in the development process.
Children of Morta: huh... well, it's pretty good, and I guess somewhat slower than Hades (which otherwise is the closest match).

Ex Anima may come close, if it ever becomes an actual game rather than staying a tech demo (very, very big IF).
 

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I really felt like that this complete genre was lost to me when Path of Exile turned out to be the next Median XL instead of the next Diablo 1.
What about Grim Dawn, Hades, Last Epoch, Children of Morta or others? I have never heard of them having a zoom zoom issue before.
There aren't any competitors, there have never been any. Nor is there another uncontested king, other than it.
Sure, grandpa. It's time to take your medicine and go back to the D2 thread now, okay?
Borderlands has the least zoom zoom of all the Diablo-likes.
 

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It depends on what is meant by "zoomy" gameplay. None of the modern titles are as slow as D1, that's for sure. What Grim Dawn has going for it is immense build and content variety. There is something for basically everyone when you include the expansions.
 

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Borderlands has the least zoom zoom of all the Diablo-likes.
If we start including Borderlands, we might as well consider Baldurs Gate, Doom Eternal, or Disco Redaxium... we have to draw a line somewhere.
 

mediocrepoet

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Borderlands has the least zoom zoom of all the Diablo-likes.
If we start including Borderlands, we might as well consider Baldurs Gate, Doom Eternal, or Disco Redaxium... we have to draw a line somewhere.
Agree. Borderlands is nothing like Diablo unless you think the defining characteristic is looting, but then you're going to have to include all looter shooters, etc. It's an inclusion that makes "Diablo-like" meaningless.
 

abija

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It depends on what is meant by "zoomy" gameplay.
Run through maps, don't stop and fight. Monsters are either irrelevant (last epoch end game when I played it last time) or usually get blown in the process as collateral. The faster you can move and attack and the less actions you need to do except moving, the zoomier the game is.

Btw, siren runs in borderlands were about as zoomy as things can get :D
 
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Dunno what that game is, Diablo 2 was the last one they made.
This is a D4 thread, fuck off. You're a nigger troll. Your knowledge is limited to what some click-bait channel shows you. Flicker strike isn't even a popular build.

EHEHEHEHE



All these FAGGOT builds look the same and play the same. Face facts: POE will always live in D2's tyrannical shadow while gremlins like you are eternally condemned to shill this crappy F2P garbage in every single Diablo-related thread until the day you keel over.

Sucks to suck, jumbo.
 

mediocrepoet

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Isn't there a POE thread somewhere?
Nice phone game video GGS. Is there a non ADHD mode, or is the entire thing like that?
 

mediocrepoet

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Isn't there a POE thread somewhere?
Nice phone game video GGS. Is there a non ADHD mode, or is the entire thing like that?

Well maybe the first ten minutes has you have a vague clue on what the fuck is happening on your screen ackackackack
It kind of looks like They Are Billions if they fired the art director and replaced him with some random drunk hobo and then dumbed down the gameplay so that instead of building turrets and stuff, you just become the turret and run around in circles.

I'm pretty sure the reason I never got into this is that my parents loved me, so I wasn't slapped in the head enough as a child.
 

mediocrepoet

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This thread is for discussing how shit Diablo 4 is, not how shit PoE is, okay?

You seemed really concerned when it was people discussing how awesome POE was with little to do with anything in the Diablo franchise. Besides...

Look. Look at this. The POEfags can't help themselves. What is wrong with these creatures.
Shut the fuck up, nigger. Go back to playing D2. This is a D4 thread and it will be compared to every competitor in the space until the end of time.

This is a D4 thread and it will be compared to every competitor in the space until the end of time. Now, look how shit POE is.
 

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Dunno what that game is, Diablo 2 was the last one they made.
This is a D4 thread, fuck off. You're a nigger troll. Your knowledge is limited to what some click-bait channel shows you. Flicker strike isn't even a popular build.

EHEHEHEHE



All these FAGGOT builds look the same and play the same. Face facts: POE will always live in D2's tyrannical shadow while gremlins like you are eternally condemned to shill this crappy F2P garbage in every single Diablo-related thread until the day you keel over.

Sucks to suck, jumbo.

Pff weak sauce:


This build is not measured by DPS but SKPS, sever killed per second!
:evilcodex:
 
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