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Dragon Age Dragon Age: The Veilguard Pre-Release Thread [GAME RELEASED, GO TO NEW THREAD]
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Bulo
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My brother has fairly relaxed gaming standards and doesn't have his finger on the pulse when it comes to the "culture war" because he has more important things to worry about. He has played and enjoyed all or most of the previous games in the series, so a game like Veilguard should be right up his alley. When he looked at its Steam page, he said "Oh, it's a game for them," and decided not to buy it. Gave me a good laugh
I think wrt this game a lot of us are non-buy-nary.
*ducks*
*ducks*
I think you underestimate his power level. Kulturkampf has gone mainstream, most people are aware of it to some extent.
Xorazm
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Skillup did a masterful job of eviscerating the game just sticking to the bare facts that most people are going to care about. His points get taken seriously because he hit on things that, assuming they're true, are far more dire for the gaming audience and, if they're amplified, will kill the hype for the game in its crib (same for the PC Gamer non-review, a really brutal takedown that just focused on what it lacks as a game).
The point about enemies having bloated health bars that require you to fire off the same few abilities ad nauseum. That just doesn't sound fun to people - and if that's what they hear a lot of complaints over, they'll hesitate (I'm actually curious if "drop it to easy!" becomes the new "leave the Hinterlands!" or if Bioware rushes out a patch to address an issue only Skillup seems to have noticed).
Then there's the crowd that likes to role play. If it turns out that you're railroaded into being a good guy, and your role playing options are minimal, that your companion interactions are similarly guardrailed, and everyone hears about it, well, that's another crowd turned off.
The art style is proving to be another turnoff to a large group of people who aren't on board with its cartoony vibe. Apparently even the dead bodies have perfect skin. The cartoon vibe and the cartoon difficulty and the cartooning of the world isn't shaping up for a good look.
We're reading tea leaves a bit now, but it seems to me that the real Sword of Damocles hanging over this title is if that it's fundamentally shallow. It's long, sure, but the impression I'm getting is that it's the edges-sanded-off, kiddie-friendly, YA edition of Dragon Age. There was a line in the PC Gamer article that jumped out at me, about how the entire conflict between mages and templars - one of the few things that was ever interesting in the series - has been sanded away.
My fundamental point is that I deeply want this game to fail, and pinning your main criticism on "woke" (which of course it is, duh) isn't converting anyone that isn't already on the team. But if I wanted to drive a stake through its heart, which I badly, badly want to do, I'd ensure it got a reputation as being shallow, juvenile, and most importantly, boring.
People like Dragon Age. People aren't going to like "your tween brother's Dragon Age."
You want to infuriate Biodrones? Yeah, so do I. Call them woke, call them cucks, call them fags - they don't care. But if, say, "I liked Dragon Age back when it was an RPG" starts making the rounds, that will activate their rage centers because it cuts to the heart of what's really wrong here.
Same reason Saint's Row reboot failed. It got a reputation for cringe dialog, boring art and mission design, and once that stuck there was no way it could recover. It was clearly trying to pander to a younger audience, which is exactly the sense I get from Veilguard, and ultimately the game sank and dragged the whole studio down with it.
Would that history would repeat itself.
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You just KNOW that whoever wrote this scene experienced something similar with xis parents so xe put it in the game.
Xe might even have been crying while writing the dialogue. Then picked up a picture of xis parents and started shouting "WHY WON'T YOU LOVE MEEE".
I've skimmed through 2 reviews: Skillup and Mortisinal. Both say that the game frontloads combat features and it doesn't evolve much past the first 1/3, that enemies are spongy and combat drags out, and that the game doesn't let you be bad or even rude. Skillup says the game is shit, Mortisinal says its good, despite both agreeing on those facts.
So the facts don't make the verdict, its still vibes in the end. There's a lot of "if this kind of thing bothers you" involved.
Oh no, they get extremely butthurt about all of this. It's just easier for them to police their shitlib cesspools by dismissing these terms as "hate-speech", or whatever, and banning whoever is using them. Even then they seethe, especially at being called "woke" and "sjw".
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kapisi
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Mortismal was chewing fat for half an hour, while Skill up provided multiple clips to reinforce his points. His "HR in the room" quote is already a meme
There's a reviewer who collated a few shill reviews and showed that "return to form by BioWare" was a a nearly universal theme of them.
Love that line, its also what I remember from his review.
Xorazm
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Not to defend an obviously garbage take, but Mort rarely reviews Japanese games and only started to do more of them recently - which is a little odd given that Veilguard really sounds an awful lot like a bog-standard JRPG. I'm not going to dig through his history but I think he only covered Wukong, Space Marine, DD2 and maybe one or two others.
He's basically the Golden Retriever of game reviewers - nice to have around and happy with anything (the main value of his channel is the shout-outs he'll give to indies which need the boost) but you probably don't want a dog giving informed takes on media.
Plus, we've all seen what even Golden Retrievers will happily consume.
That's Mort.
Bulo
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THE LOVESOME DUNG EATER
From last week's ShillUp, to todays' SkillUp, to next week's ShillUp again?
Codex Chuds flip flop faster than politicians.
Codex Chuds flip flop faster than politicians.
*It* probably gets PTSD whenever *it* looks at the mirror, dreading how it'll never pass both in reality and in fantasy:
I think he is genuine, as in a genuine Sony normie. From what I've seen of him, I have no reason to think he's a shill, his name just sounds funny when you make it ShillUp. I've seen him say it like that too.
However, didn't he have a news show with his brother? And it got cancelled because he didn't want to do news? And now I am seeing a news podcast on his channel, that he is a part of, but not his brother? Hmmmm.....
Xorazm
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There was actually some very weird shade in the comments, where somebody echoed Skillup's point about the enemies being damage sponges and Mortim snapped back with "only if you're bad at the game." He's really oddly defensive in a lot of his comments.
Part of what makes this so popcorn-worthy is that, if the game releases and Skillup is vindicated (Jason Shrier giving tentative confirmation) then it'll prove something we've long suspected - the reviewers across the board make a habit of playing through a game on the easiest difficulty to bumrush the game and get a story out.
Now of course, that said, yeah we've long known than Biodrones play for happy funtime fantasy fucktime romp, so if outlets handed this to dedicated DA fans, then dropping it to easy would make sense because that's how they all play.
But we're not all Biodrones. Which makes them shit reviewers.
Most of that is weeb shit, which many people just don't like. Helldivers is a multiplayer game, and he's more of a singleplayer channel.
Silent Hill, Wukong, and Space Marine should be on his shortlist though. He has reviews for similar games on the channel.
Morty does 100% achievement runs. If there is an achievement for beating the game on hard, then he has done so.
But yes, I do suspect, and even expect, that rushing to finish the game involves playing it on the easiest difficulty. How would it not?
Years ago there was some review commenting on actual game mechanics, like invisible barriers or whatever, that only work that way on easy. And then the reviewer complained about the bad ending, but the game only ends that way on easy mode. On every other mode, you get a different, cooler ending. When the developer said as much on Twitter, they redacted the review text, but kept the score low, despite deleting the given reasons for why it is low. A screenshot of this review was reposted often during Gamer Gate, someone might have it.
Vagabond Merchant
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A streamer that refused to work with EA said that his friend received a key for review with a contract stating that he could say basically anything except mentioning the woke elements. Still doesn't confirm it but it lines up
If nothing else his Troonguard review proves he's genuine. Nothing would be easier than to suck some ma'am cock and be invited for the next EA event.
I've been following him since Laymen Gaming and he's been always a slightly edgy normie, nothing more, nothing less. He did say there are a lot of good things in SW Outlaws and other idiotic takes but he was also one of the few mainstream reviewers that didn't lick TLoU2 asshole clean.
So he's not a shill, just a bit retarded with his game taste. But not completely. Plus he's really fucking good with words and whenever he dismantles a garbage game it's almost always glorious.
Child of Malkav
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So we learned that this game is a JRPG aimed at the young adult audience and is as plain as a blank canvas.
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