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Forspoken - action-RPG from Square Enix with cringe protagonist

Duraframe300

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Most Japanese people don't even know what "gaslighting" is or what "sack of shit" means. They couldn't have come up with a main character of that degree of enrichment without external guidance because they never saw one.
Because the script was written by americans to begin with. The 2 main script/story writers in the credits are Todd Stashwick (which you may remember from acting in some trashy tv shows 10 years ago) and Allison Rymer.
 
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If anyone ever calls Japan "based", refer to them this clip.
Why would you refer to them a game written in the US?

That they are more under the thumb of the US now more than ever. One of the more high profile 70 dollar games and they don't even get to have creative control. They only get to make censored anime games that are also under the watchful of of their overlords. Amongst other things. You knew this though.
 

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If anyone ever calls Japan "based", refer to them this clip.
Why would you refer to them a game written in the US?

That they are more under the thumb of the US now more than ever. One of the more high profile 70 dollar games and they don't even get to have creative control. They only get to make censored anime games that are also under the watchful of of their overlords. Amongst other things. You knew this though.
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That was the whole point of this game from the beginning, japanese develop it, westerners write it. Not something that happened secretly at all. There are concerns, but let's call it what it is. For now, the extreme extent that it went to in Forspoken is still very much an exception.
 

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For now, the extreme extent that it went to in Forspoken is still very much an exception.

We are beyond the "fow now" part. Their days of creative freedom have passed.
No?

The VII remake shit is par on course for Nomura, Kitase, Toriyama, XVI is par on course for the people on it too. There's influences like making Tifa's boobs smaller and other global mumbo jambo. But the creative thing still is very much them and not anywhere near the level of Forspoken.

They've been in decline already for more than 20 years creativly. Fucking 3rd Birthday exists which probably still takes the cake over Forspoken.

Edit: I'm not saying you're wrong and that that isn't coming, just attribute shitiness fairly.
 
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For some reason Japanese developers never stop chasing the great White Western Whale.

When they make games that do sell to the west they draw no lessons from it (Monster Hunter, FF, etc) but always seem willing to buy some snake oil idea about breaking into a wider market. FYI, those recent Resident Evil games were written by westerners, I'm sure there's others too I'm not aware of.

The real sad thing about games like this, recent Ass Creed titles, Horizon: Zero Personality, etc, is that these games are all technological marvels that would blow away any gamer from 10 years ago. You show these games to me 20 years ago and I'd think they were faked. Surely something this cool could never exist. Yet now we're just like, hmm, character is dumb, game is repetitive, etc. Too much content.

Meanwhile,
Miyazaki is like "I like european armor and masochism. plz buy my game" and makes a shtizillion dorrars.
 

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For some reason Japanese developers never stop chasing the great White Western Whale.

When they make games that do sell to the west they draw no lessons from it (Monster Hunter, FF, etc) but always seem willing to buy some snake oil idea about breaking into a wider market. FYI, those recent Resident Evil games were written by westerners, I'm sure there's others too I'm not aware of.

The real sad thing about games like this, recent Ass Creed titles, Horizon: Zero Personality, etc, is that these games are all technological marvels that would blow away any gamer from 10 years ago. You show these games to me 20 years ago and I'd think they were faked. Surely something this cool could never exist. Yet now we're just like, hmm, character is dumb, game is repetitive, etc. Too much content.

Meanwhile,
Miyazaki is like "I like european armor and masochism. plz buy my game" and makes a shtizillion dorrars.

Greater graphical definition, physics, and shaders don't make a game good by themselves.

We complain about too much content not because of the ingenuity of the technology, but because of the low quality of what that technology serves us.

The reason I personally don't like Forspoken is because it represents what video games have become: a vapid, uninteresting product to be consumed and nothing more.
 

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If anyone ever calls Japan "based", refer to them this clip.
inb4 weebs say westerners just forced the japs to do it
Most Japanese people don't even know what "gaslighting" is or what "sack of shit" means. They couldn't have come up with a main character of that degree of enrichment without external guidance because they never saw one.
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Darn those Japanese and their shitty writing.
 
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If anyone ever calls Japan "based", refer to them this clip.
inb4 weebs say westerners just forced the japs to do it
Most Japanese people don't even know what "gaslighting" is or what "sack of shit" means. They couldn't have come up with a main character of that degree of enrichment without external guidance because they never saw one.
Forspoken.jpg
Forspoken-Writers.jpg



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DeJYNWLWkAEsGLO.jpg:large

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ROGUE-ONE-GARY-WHITTA-783815.jpg

Anne_Toole.webp
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Darn those Japanese and their shitty writing.
Look at all the effort this butthurt weeb went through lmao
 

DeepOcean

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The only thing I'm curious about is why am I more afraid of the NPCs than the undead monsters?
 

Late Bloomer

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If anyone ever calls Japan "based", refer to them this clip.
inb4 weebs say westerners just forced the japs to do it
Most Japanese people don't even know what "gaslighting" is or what "sack of shit" means. They couldn't have come up with a main character of that degree of enrichment without external guidance because they never saw one.

Darn those Japanese and their shitty writing.

Is it worse to write it or to work under the thumb of those writing it? Everyone involved is complacent. The fact that they don't have enough confidence in their own writing speaks volumes. The games coming out of Japan will look more and more like this trash as the years progress. This is the new norm. Enjoy.

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InD_ImaginE

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Is it worse to write it or to work under the thumb of those writing it? Everyone involved is complacent. The fact that they don't have enough confidence in their own writing speaks volumes. The games coming out of Japan will look more and more like this trash as the years progress. This is the new norm. Enjoy.

This is because SE is muh "global company global market". That being said, yes the trend is worrying. Nintendo Treehouse is nothing but SJWs that rewrite shit since Fates already and even before that has garbage "localization". ATLUS was kinda relentless but P5 Royale translation engage in self cencorship due to pressure from ATLUS USA/Europe.

Like everything AAA going to go garbage as it is aiming for western appeal.
 
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For some reason Japanese developers never stop chasing the great White Western Whale.

When they make games that do sell to the west they draw no lessons from it (Monster Hunter, FF, etc) but always seem willing to buy some snake oil idea about breaking into a wider market. FYI, those recent Resident Evil games were written by westerners, I'm sure there's others too I'm not aware of.

The real sad thing about games like this, recent Ass Creed titles, Horizon: Zero Personality, etc, is that these games are all technological marvels that would blow away any gamer from 10 years ago. You show these games to me 20 years ago and I'd think they were faked. Surely something this cool could never exist. Yet now we're just like, hmm, character is dumb, game is repetitive, etc. Too much content.

Meanwhile,
Miyazaki is like "I like european armor and masochism. plz buy my game" and makes a shtizillion dorrars.

I was hoping the minor media event where all the devs were bitching about how Elden Ring was loved while generic open world shit with a million tutorials and map events was panned would eventually lead to some changes and better direction in these types of games. Maybe I was too optimistic, or maybe it will take 1-2 years for dev teams to re-align.
 

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Enjoy the Revolution! Another revolution around the sun that is.

I was hoping the minor media event where all the devs were bitching about how Elden Ring was loved while generic open world shit with a million tutorials and map events was panned would eventually lead to some changes and better direction in these types of games. Maybe I was too optimistic, or maybe it will take 1-2 years for dev teams to re-align.
Elden Ring came out a year ago, a big open world gaym takes 4+ years to make. It'll take a lot of time for everyone to readjust.

Also how could anyone think this was written by actual Japs? This shit reeks of Bay Area attitude, mindset and lingo, of course it was written by some SoCal dangerhairs and fedora soyface male feminists.
 

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Also how could anyone think this was written by actual Japs? This shit reeks of Bay Area attitude, mindset and lingo, of course it was written by some SoCal dangerhairs and fedora soyface male feminists.

It's just Rusty being butthurt because USA USA USA
 

Anonona

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It is still mind-numbing to me that the decide to go with this shit instead of trying to take the concept of Agni's Philosophy and turn it into a full game as many people wanted back then, even asking for it to become the next mainline Final Fantasy. SQ has to be one of the most retarded game developers out there.

 

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