Game News Kickstarter Drama: Conquistador, Shadowrun and Eisenwald

[Orma]

Good thing i only backed Shadowrun among the three.

Yes good for you indeed. May I ask you why only Shadowfuckrun? 'Inside' information or just not interested?

Not really interested in conquistador, it was supposed to release in a week when it caught my attention and as you know, was delayed.

Don't know much about eisenwald and that dark-age-europe theme is ugly.

 

[HobGoblin42]

...and that dark-age-europe theme is ugly.

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Darklands

 

[Orma]

...and that dark-age-europe theme is ugly.

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Darklands

Sorry, whenever i see lancer knights in shiny armour, i want to puke.

Darklands's art style and graphics did a much better job. And it certainly didn't look like a squire simulator.

 

[Zeriel]

Or people could just patch the game themselves. I can't be that old, can I?

if the audience the game cater to is people who arent able to patch a game themselves with a manual installer, i dont even want to play it .

Welcome to the dystopian future. The year is 2014. The apocalypse has had an apocalypse. In the ashes of the failed PS4 launch, a new breed of gamer has risen: he doesn't know what a "manual" is, and any exposition that isn't delivered in a cutscene or via voice-over enrages him.

 

[Vulcris]

I also backed all three KS and I don't care much of the recent developpements. The main raison I backed theses games is not because they were founded without publisher interference, but because they were the sort of games I like and those games were rarely made by publishers. If publishers made lots of tbs strategy games or tbs rpg games, I'd buy some from them to.

I also see people complaining of publishers here, but in the case of Conquistador, bit composer only play the rôle of distributor and in the case of Shadowrun there's no publisher but a licence holder. Hell if Obsidian, Inxile and Larian want to make some local deals for boxed copies or traduction, they'll need some distributors too and some of them might or might not also be publishers like CDP in Poland.

The funny thing is that people complain when the PR people have more control on a game than the designers in AAA games, and that a lot of the game budget is spent on PR and as the same time people seem surprised that developpers that kickstrat with a barebone budget are bad at PR. Well, it's not their job and people would complain even more if they'd take a part of KS budget to hire some PR people.

 

[Ulminati]

You're missing the real implications of this whole SR:R debacle. Nowhere in their communication has a DRM-free version been promised to non-backers.

 

[AC Sleighter]

How is it legal fraud when HBS is providing the EXACT product as mentioned on the Kickstarter? They are providing a DRM free version of SR with an editor and a DRM free version of Berlin DLC. That is the exact specific products mentioned they were pitching on their Kickstarter.

Because it was represented as a DRM free game, now they're saying that the Steam version is the superior version. That's a case right there.

No it isn't, because that's simply not true. At release, the Steam version is not the superior version. Even 6 months, to a year, after release the Steam version isn't the superior version.

In fact the Steam version might never be the superior version, which is why all the butthurt at this level is so stupid.The Steam version only gets future DLC and expansions that HBS hasn't committed to yet. And on top of all that, these future DLC and expansions( that haven't been created yet) WERE NOT A PART OF THE ORIGINAL KICKSTARTER PITCH. Backers get the exact game that was pitched on kickstarter DRM FREE.

If HBS creates expansions for the game in the future, beyond the scope of the Kickstarter pitch, they don't get that and that future version won't be available Steam-free. So no. Not even close to a case there in any way shape or form. They don't have any obligation to honor any of the Kickstarter promises in any future expansions anymore than they have to honor them if they make Shadowrun Returns 2...or if they make Steam Pirates 2, or any other game they didn't pitch, for that matter.

 

[Metro]

Actually there's one other thing that's more disgusting: your constant anti-Steam posturing. Get over it, son, it's a fucking vidya game launcher. Stop acting like Jesus on the fucking cross.

With morons like you to play PC games you will have to get steam, origin, uplay, gfwl, whatever shit beamdog use, installed on pc because they are all only "vidya game launchers", and there will be more of them as more and more companies will try to get all profits instead of going for your favorite saint gaben.

Then just use TPB, dumbfuck.

 

[Grimlorn]

Pirates always win.

 

[skuphundaku]

Actually there's one other thing that's more disgusting: your constant anti-Steam posturing. Get over it, son, it's a fucking vidya game launcher. Stop acting like Jesus on the fucking cross.

With morons like you to play PC games you will have to get steam, origin, uplay, gfwl, whatever shit beamdog use, installed on pc because they are all only "vidya game launchers", and there will be more of them as more and more companies will try to get all profits instead of going for your favorite saint gaben.

Then just use TPB, dumbfuck.

You're the dumbfuck here. Have you considered that there are a lot of people that want to purchase games legally but, at the same time, don't want to be raped by DRM, you fucking moron?

 

[Drowed]

I can see that, however, classifying STEAM as "rape" is something really fun to see, as always.

 

[Metro]

Mail the developers $40. Hilarious to see Cassidy brofist that as he'd have no purpose on the Codex without stuff like Steam to rail against. He probably didn't back any of these KS projects, either.

 

[FeelTheRads]

Mail the developers $40.

Yes, and an invitation for them to see your severed fingers collection too. People do that all the time.

 

[Cassidy]

Mail the developers $40. Hilarious to see Cassidy brofist that as he'd have no purpose on the Codex without stuff like Steam to rail against. He probably didn't back any of these KS projects, either.

Trolling retarded fanboys is way too amusing to pass. Not my fault that the Steam retarded fanboys happen to be among the easiest to rile and the stupidest of the bunch, even more than the "hardcore CRPG/PC Gamer" posers. Specially when something as cheap and effortless as clicking on a brofist suffices.

 

[evdk]

You're the dumbfuck here. Have you considered that there are a lot of people that want to purchase games legally but, at the same time, don't want to be raped by DRM, you fucking moron?

Buy the game as a Steam key, then sail the seven seas to obtain a DRM free executable.

 

[TwinkieGorilla]

it will be indie and indie is God.

Did skyway hijack your account?

Somebody give FTR his lithium back, stat.

 

[Metro]

Mail the developers $40. Hilarious to see Cassidy brofist that as he'd have no purpose on the Codex without stuff like Steam to rail against. He probably didn't back any of these KS projects, either.

Trolling retarded fanboys is way too amusing to pass. Not my fault that the Steam retarded fanboys happen to be among the easiest to rile and the stupidest of the bunch, even more than the "hardcore CRPG/PC Gamer" posers. Specially when something as cheap and effortless as clicking on a brofist suffices.

Admitting it is the first step. We've made progress here today.

Mail the developers $40.

Yes, and an invitation for them to see your severed fingers collection too. People do that all the time.

Surely not lest they would run out of fingers.

 

[Brayko]

How is it legal fraud when HBS is providing the EXACT product as mentioned on the Kickstarter? They are providing a DRM free version of SR with an editor and a DRM free version of Berlin DLC. That is the exact specific products mentioned they were pitching on their Kickstarter.

Because it was represented as a DRM free game, now they're saying that the Steam version is the superior version. That's a case right there.

No it isn't, because that's simply not true. At release, the Steam version is not the superior version. Even 6 months, to a year, after release the Steam version isn't the superior version.

In fact the Steam version might never be the superior version, which is why all the butthurt at this level is so stupid.The Steam version only gets future DLC and expansions that HBS hasn't committed to yet. And on top of all that, these future DLC and expansions( that haven't been created yet) WERE NOT A PART OF THE ORIGINAL KICKSTARTER PITCH. Backers get the exact game that was pitched on kickstarter DRM FREE.

If HBS creates expansions for the game in the future, beyond the scope of the Kickstarter pitch, they don't get that and that future version won't be available Steam-free. So no. Not even close to a case there in any way shape or form. They don't have any obligation to honor any of the Kickstarter promises in any future expansions anymore than they have to honor them if they make Shadowrun Returns 2...or if they make Steam Pirates 2, or any other game they didn't pitch, for that matter.

You really don't get it do you? You and all the other dumb petty pieces of shit right wing cocksuckers who post on here (I call it the taint of Saint Proverbius). The people who backed this game feel cheated, DRM free: The Game. "Hey backers, here's your shitty version while the Steam version gets conveniently updated and all future content because whoops, Microsoft told us we had to!" As far as the fundamentals go, YES the issue itself is minor, whoop-de-doo let's just use the Steam version and call it good, but that wasn't the spirit behind the pitch, it said right there: DRM free and mentioned nothing about the Steam version containing all the future content of the game. I didn't pledge to this game but that would kind of burn me as well if they decide to cut corners on the finished version of the game apart from the original, even if they did honestly fuck up during development and ask for far less than what they needed. I'll never trust these guys in the future because it's obvious that they aren't in the complete groove of incline.

And yes, a good lawyer could make a case out of this.

 

[Metro]

Metro has gone full derp since some time.

Irony.

 

[skuphundaku]

You're the dumbfuck here. Have you considered that there are a lot of people that want to purchase games legally but, at the same time, don't want to be raped by DRM, you fucking moron?

Buy the game as a Steam key, then sail the seven seas to obtain a DRM free executable.

You're missing the point: this is not an ethical issue but a legal one. From a legal standpoint, it makes no difference whether you buy it on Steam first or not.

 

[Ulminati]

It is decided then. As soon as Steam-exclusive DLC is released, I will buy the first pack and make sure to incorporate it in all subsequent modules. Just to spite you guys.

We can only hope that the non-backer preorders from here on out only get the option of a steam key to complete the cycle of butthurt.

 

[Metro]

You're missing the point: this is not an ethical issue but a legal one. From a legal standpoint, it makes no difference whether you buy it on Steam first or not.

It's a practical issue. 99% of the people who bitch about it wouldn't buy the games anyway. You can probably count on one hand the number of people who are complaining in this thread that actually gave to these kickstarters. And before theses issues happened these were perfect examples of where people could give their money directly to developers in exchange for DRM free games... but didn't.

 

[evdk]

You're missing the point: this is not an ethical issue but a legal one. From a legal standpoint, it makes no difference whether you buy it on Steam first or not.

Oh sorry. In that case I don't really give a fuck. I stopped pirating because of the desire to support some developers, not because I care about IP laws, so I don't really take them into consideration, sorry. I just thought you wanted to support the studio without using GabeN's money printing scheme.

 

[skuphundaku]

You're missing the point: this is not an ethical issue but a legal one. From a legal standpoint, it makes no difference whether you buy it on Steam first or not.

It's a practical issue. 99% of the people who bitch about it wouldn't buy the games anyway. You can probably count on one hand the number of people who are complaining in this thread that actually gave to these kickstarters. And before theses issues happened these were perfect examples of where people could give their money directly to developers in exchange for DRM free games... but didn't.

How about you shut the fuck up and stop talking about things you don't have any idea about. Your assumptions about who and how much donated to these Kickstarters are utterly irrelevant without evidence to back them up, evidence that you don't have.

 

[skuphundaku]

You're missing the point: this is not an ethical issue but a legal one. From a legal standpoint, it makes no difference whether you buy it on Steam first or not.

Oh sorry. In that case I don't really give a fuck. I stopped pirating because of the desire to support some developers, not because I care about IP laws, so I don't really take them into consideration, sorry. I just thought you wanted to support the studio without using GabeN's money printing scheme.

I do want to support developers without using GabeN's money printing scheme, and I do it by regularly donating to KS, but that doesn't mean that one can ignore IP laws when one lives in proto-fascist countries.