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KickStarter Kingdom Come: Deliverance - Dan Vavra's medieval chad simulator

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The reason to have him a noble bastard was to avoid being completely ahistorical. Peasants during that time did not have the social mobility needed to rise as high as Henry did and rub elbows with nobility – they absolutely wouldn't accept some village dirtbag strolling in and being their pal, no matter how useful he might be. Being a noble bastard removed that obstacle as, bastard or not, he would still have blue blood.
 

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The reason to have him a noble bastard was to avoid being completely ahistorical. Peasants during that time did not have the social mobility needed to rise as high as Henry did and rub elbows with nobility – they absolutely wouldn't accept some village dirtbag strolling in and being their pal, no matter how useful he might be. Being a noble bastard removed that obstacle as, bastard or not, he would still have blue blood.
Indeed, but Henry is still not a full blue blood, not nobility, though he does have a claim to it.
Bastards were not exactly treated well in history.
 

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Peasants during that time did not have the social mobility needed to rise as high as Henry did and rub elbows with nobility – they absolutely wouldn't accept some village dirtbag strolling in and being their pal,
Except if you're a schizo French chick who hears voices and get the heir to the throne to simp for you
 

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Did Radzig have other progeny with a noble woman?
If not, then he most definitely will need to legitimize Henry.
 

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Guess I looked at it more technically. Like being a grey warden not necessarily is being a chosen one, you are just one of (not so-)many. Many such cases.
The Grey Warden are technically chosen ones and are treated like someone exceptional/heroes, in spite of their pretty much criminal background (because the Grey Warden accept anyone who has the will and the skill to fight the Blight).
 

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The reason to have him a noble bastard was to avoid being completely ahistorical. Peasants during that time did not have the social mobility needed to rise as high as Henry did and rub elbows with nobility – they absolutely wouldn't accept some village dirtbag strolling in and being their pal, no matter how useful he might be. Being a noble bastard removed that obstacle as, bastard or not, he would still have blue blood.
Am I missing something, wasn't he just a son of a very accomplished blacksmith?
 

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Guess I looked at it more technically. Like being a grey warden not necessarily is being a chosen one, you are just one of (not so-)many. Many such cases.
The Grey Warden are technically chosen ones and are treated like someone exceptional/heroes, in spite of their pretty much criminal background (because the Grey Warden accept anyone who has the will and the skill to fight the Blight).
Technically any grey warden can end the blight so being one of them is not necessarily being teh chosen one and the protag in DAO doesn't even have to do it himself in the end. While The Warden is just another warden, Geralt is one of a kind witcher.

Also with that logic many other castes can be considered TCOs? What are the qualifiers for being TEH CHOSEN ONE? Cos it looks like you can slap it on most characters including the dull af village yokel lazy bum henry
 

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Enjoy the Revolution! Another revolution around the sun that is.
The reason to have him a noble bastard was to avoid being completely ahistorical. Peasants during that time did not have the social mobility needed to rise as high as Henry did and rub elbows with nobility – they absolutely wouldn't accept some village dirtbag strolling in and being their pal, no matter how useful he might be.
In some cases commoners could be knighted for extraordinary military services but not sure how common that was in late Middle Ages where the game takes place. My guess is not very, if it was possible at all. Plus Radzig would have to intervene with the king to make that happen, he couldn't have done it himself.
 

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Indeed, but Henry is still not a full blue blood, not nobility, though he does have a claim to it.
Bastards were not exactly treated well in history.
That depended a whole lot on the particular case – some nobles cared for their children even if they were bastards, and made sure to give them cushy jobs. More importantly though, they could claim nobility. The stain of bastardry was on them, sure, it but was still better than being a peasant. I believe Capon even mentions this at some point?

In some cases commoners could be knighted for extraordinary military services but not sure how common that was in late Middle Ages where the game takes place. Plus Radzig would have to intervene with the king to make that happen, he couldn't have done it himself.
Well, here's your problem: the king is in house arrest while his brother (trying to take the throne) torched Henry's village.

Am I missing something, wasn't he just a son of a very accomplished blacksmith?
The blacksmith is only his foster father.
 

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Technically any grey warden can end the blight so being one of them is not necessarily being teh chosen one and the protag in DAO doesn't even have to do it himself in the end.
Except you have to survive the ritual, which is what makes you special. It is true you aren't the only one, but you're still one of the Chosen. What changes is that the number goes up from singular to plural, while still maintaining the exclusivity of the position. You can also have the Morrowind's treatment: you're the Chosen One, but there were other Chosen Ones before you and if you were to fail there would also be more Chosen Ones after you (hypothetically).

While The Warden is just another warden, Geralt is one of a kind witcher.
I disagree. Geralt is one of the Witchers. What makes him special is plot armor, similarly to what makes Conan special.

Also with that logic many other castes can be considered TCOs? What are the qualifiers for being TEH CHOSEN ONE? Cos it looks like you can slap it on most characters including the dull af village yokel lazy bum henry
To be the Chosen One you need to be unique in some way. Frankly, being a bastard son of a noble is not THAT special. At best you could have a bit more influence via your relative, if he were to be in a position of power. But you could be knighted as a peasant, too, for exemplary performance or service. A knight can make another knight. In the end what makes Henry special is being the player character in the game, not much else. Then again, getting knighted can be considered an extraordinary event.
 

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The reason to have him a noble bastard was to avoid being completely ahistorical. Peasants during that time did not have the social mobility needed to rise as high as Henry did and rub elbows with nobility – they absolutely wouldn't accept some village dirtbag strolling in and being their pal, no matter how useful he might be. Being a noble bastard removed that obstacle as, bastard or not, he would still have blue blood.
Am I missing something, wasn't he just a son of a very accomplished blacksmith?
Dialogue in KCD hints at the truth before explicitly revealing it:

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The main quest is still not completed, so Warhorse has to conclude it and the story despite Tom McKay (Henry's actor) being almost 44 years of age (born December 27, 1979), which means that we'll certainly be playing as Henry.
Just dump that boring shit, I already didn't care about whatever mission at the end.

Peasants during that time did not have the social mobility needed to rise as high as Henry did and rub elbows with nobility – they absolutely wouldn't accept some village dirtbag strolling in and being their pal,
Except if you're a schizo French chick who hears voices and get the heir to the throne to simp for you
She did get burned at the stake like a garbage hag, so I'm not sure that's the case.

Nobody really did shit to save her at that point, and I'm sure the King was happy to have her gone, the most important work having been done. Charles didn't really simp for her so much as the other way round.

The result was of course you had a martyr for La France who became a symbol of French nationalism for eternity (by being a Bourbon stooge), and Charles got to sip his wine bedaubed in fleur de lis over his newly conquered kingdom.
 

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Hope KCD 2 won't fall in the Game of Thrones trap of making everything dark, and ugly, because generic grimy medieval setting...
Kingdom Come had a sense of adventure and even medieval romance. Keep it that way and add some more stuff from that historic period.
 
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The reason to have him a noble bastard was to avoid being completely ahistorical. Peasants during that time did not have the social mobility needed to rise as high as Henry did and rub elbows with nobility – they absolutely wouldn't accept some village dirtbag strolling in and being their pal, no matter how useful he might be. Being a noble bastard removed that obstacle as, bastard or not, he would still have blue blood.
Indeed, but Henry is still not a full blue blood, not nobility, though he does have a claim to it.
Bastards were not exactly treated well in history.
To be fair, one of the characters does call Henry out very early on for receiving unusually special treatment not due to a blacksmith's son.
 

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I dropped the game after 18h or so and trying to come back to it. Should I buy all the DLCs, are they worth it? I see most of them are 60% off or so.

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dsndo

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How's the thief gameplay in this? The sword-fighting combat looks like absolute cancer but if a stealth approach is viable I will give this a shot.
 
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Thievery is very weak in the early game. Your poor lock pick stats mean that you won't be able to pick most chests. You can boost your stealth stat by creeping around in the nude though and mass poisoning bandit camps at night.

The breakthrough point is when you learn stealth kill skill. That's when it becomes overpowered.
 

Lyric Suite

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Thievery becoming broken is one of the reasons whenever i decide to replay the game i'll definitely use that mod that halves experience gain.
 

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How's the thief gameplay in this? The sword-fighting combat looks like absolute cancer but if a stealth approach is viable I will give this a shot.
Stealth archer build is pretty powerful, especially if you pick the perk that gives you a concealment bonus in the wilds. You can grind bow skill (if you need to) by repeating the "chumps" minigame in Ledetchko.
There's also a variety of "Robin Hood" style hats available.
 

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How's the thief gameplay in this? The sword-fighting combat looks like absolute cancer but if a stealth approach is viable I will give this a shot.
It's great, even broken. You can buy the best armour from a smith and then steal all his gold and stuff like that. You can sneaky kill a lot of enemies. Still - you have to know how to fight as there are some unavoidable battles; but if you are not playing hardcore, as soon as you learn riposte every duel is a breeze (fighting more enemies can still be hard, but doable).
 
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Training with Bertrand is even more broken because if you've already decided what weapon style you want to use, you can max out that stat using his training sessions in chapter one.
 

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