Obsidian's Pillars of Eternity [BETA RELEASED, GO TO THE NEW THREAD]

[Hormalakh]

fucking spelling errors dude. it should be sllamiiry.

 

[MicoSelva]

whats a simulationist?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNS_Theory

 

[Infinitron]

Sawyer on stealth: http://forums.somethingawful.com/sh...d=17931&perpage=40&pagenumber=3#post424534478

 

[Infinitron]

Interesting - the whole "normalize the sizes of the party's circles according to average perception rating of the area" is basically "reverse level scaling". I guess they don't want high level characters' stealth circles to disappear entirely.

 

[Cyberarmy]

Hımmm Gothic-like pickpocketing sounds cool, also it is a good thing that AI is not completely blind&deaf.

 

[hiver]

whats a simulationist?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNS_Theory

Ah, as i thought, some generalistic categorization is taken too literally.

 

[Roguey]

Josh does it again. Perhaps the best stealth system in a pseudo-iso-rpg yet.

I imagine some people will get annoyed by the lack of systematic pick-pocketing. Well, too bad.

 

[Athelas]

I am annoyed by the lack of systematic pick-pocketing.

 

[Visperas]

Too bad.

 

[Infinitron]

Josh does it again. Perhaps the best stealth system in a pseudo-iso-rpg yet.

It's not perfect. He wanted to create this "stealth circles" minigame and had to implement a somewhat inelegant per-area normalization to get it to work.

The end result is that a highly perceptive elf scout can't see you as well if he's in the same area with twenty blind monks.

 

[Cosmo]

Not perfect, but an elegant solution. I approve.

 

[Lancehead]

Reverse level scaling; I guess Josh Sawyer has 'fixed' stealth.

 

[Meepo]

That system sounds somewhat familiar..

 

[sea]

I am annoyed by the lack of systematic pick-pocketing.

Eh. Pickpocketing is cool to have, but the way it works in most RPGs is dumb. Get skill -> get reward || get attacked -> reload. I don't think it's worth Obsidian's time to try to go fix it up, you could spend forever on it and still ultimately have pickpocketing failure lead to a world-breaking state. You need real crime & punishment systems and stuff in your game to handle it, and let's face it, most RPGs are not too concerned with simulating that kind of thing.

 

[Space Satan]

I am annoyed by the lack of systematic pick-pocketing.

uh-huh, especially if we remember how "Pickpocket Failed" resulted in Load Game 99% of times or game over due to killing vital NPC.

 

[Infinitron]

Josh does it again. Perhaps the best stealth system in a pseudo-iso-rpg yet.

It's not perfect. He wanted to create this "stealth circles" minigame and had to implement a somewhat inelegant per-area normalization to get it to work.

The end result is that a highly perceptive elf scout can't see you as well if he's in the same area with twenty blind monks.

I created a thread about the stealth thing here: http://forums.obsidian.net/topic/64979-josh-sawyer-talks-about-stealth-mechanics/

 

[Grunker]

I am annoyed by the lack of systematic pick-pocketing.

uh-huh, especially if we remember how "Pickpocket Failed" resulted in Load Game 99% of times or game over due to killing vital NPC.

Yeah, IE pick-pocketing was a dumb mechanic.

 

[thesheeep]

There just is no really good solution to it as long as you can save & reload at any time.

 

[Jim the Dinosaur]

There just is no really good solution to it as long as you can save & reload at any time.

There's plenty of ways to get around that though. Make it a threshold of your skill versus the perception of the mark and any of his buddies nearby; get a bonus if the mark (and any of his buddies) have their backs turned towards you. Have them turn towards you if they can hear you and don't trust you. And so on.

 

[Space Satan]

Any good examples of good Pickpocket mechanics?

 

[Infinitron]

The problem with pickpocketing in RPGs isn't mechanics, it's believable consequences.

 

[l3loodAngel]

There just is no really good solution to it as long as you can save & reload at any time.

There's no point to pick pocket if you can't.

 

[Decado]

Pick pocketing is dumb in CRPGs, glad they're not doing it.

 

[Jedi Exile]

Josh does it again

Yeah he killed all the fun, again

I have to agree that old pickpocketing mechanics was bad, but it is still better and more fun than what Josh decided to implement.

There just is no really good solution to it as long as you can save & reload at any time.

There's plenty of ways to get around that though. Make it a threshold of your skill versus the perception of the mark and any of his buddies nearby; get a bonus if the mark (and any of his buddies) have their backs turned towards you. Have them turn towards you if they can hear you and don't trust you. And so on.

This is a good solution, but as sea said, the devs just don't want to bother. Their loss.

 

[Delterius]

Ten thousand pages ago I asked wether they were planning something in regards to trap detection. If there's one thing I absolutely despised back in the IE games was how unresponsive the whole thing was. Reloading because a pickpocket attempt failed is nothing compared to reloading after triggering every trap because looking for traps is locked to a 6 second cycle. You know anything about that, gents?