Pathfinder Pathfinder: Kingmaker - Enhanced Plus Edition - now with turn-based combat

[Pink Eye]

Also with a slightly smaller weapon and no GVS, when you're willing to burn AP:

Blurry image..

 

[Desiderius]

Blurry image..

What mod do you have to use to cast that?

 

[Pink Eye]

Blurry image..

What mod do you have to use to cast that?

No, I mean the image he linked is blurry. It's difficult for me ascertain the battle log, and attack details. I think it says he did 234 total damge?

 

[Efe]

try enlarging it? it looks crisp as fuck and is full sized

 

[Pink Eye]

try enlarging it? it looks crisp as fuck and is full sized

loool
yeah that fixed it.

 

[Desiderius]

Blurry image..

What mod do you have to use to cast that?

No, I mean the image he linked is blurry. It's difficult for me ascertain the battle log, and attack details. I think it says he did 234 total damge?

Yes, that was the joke.

So instead of 3 to 4, he did 234. Close enough.

 

[Pink Eye]

Blurry image..

What mod do you have to use to cast that?

No, I mean the image he linked is blurry. It's difficult for me ascertain the battle log, and attack details. I think it says he did 234 total damge?

Yes, that was the joke.

So instead of 3 to 4, he did 234. Close enough.

Ooh, lol bugger off mate. I was too dense to interpret your meaning from earlier. Happens to the best of us. Give me a break

 

[Pink Eye]

Eldritch Scoundrel starting to come online now. Level 11 now.

 

[Pink Eye]

Also it appears my shit is bugged. My stupid Tiefling TSS is not getting the bonus to Touch AC from Tower Shield Defense.

Thanks Owlcat.

 

[Shadenuat]

these situational bonuses never show in charsheet, only combat log.

 

[Pink Eye]

Reloading did nothing.

 

[Pink Eye]

these situational bonuses never show in charsheet, only combat log.

Hmmm. I was pretty sure it showed on the character sheet. I remember Val had hers show up there. Hmmm. Ah well. I hope this doesn't fuck my run.

 

[Desiderius]

these situational bonuses never show in charsheet, only combat log.

Hmmm. I was pretty sure it showed on the character sheet. I remember Val had hers show up there. Hmmm. Ah well. I hope this doesn't fuck my run.

Tower shields are still pretty buggy. There’s one that limits your DEX bonus to three, don’t work with high KK, etc...

 

[Pink Eye]

these situational bonuses never show in charsheet, only combat log.

Hmmm. I was pretty sure it showed on the character sheet. I remember Val had hers show up there. Hmmm. Ah well. I hope this doesn't fuck my run.

Tower shields are still pretty buggy. There’s one that limits your DEX bonus to three, don’t work with high KK, etc...

Oh Owlcat....

 

[Haplo]

So instead of 3 to 4, he did 234. Close enough.

Yeah, but also it was full attack in one round - 763 with non-crit Spellstrike.
Far from record, but a solid round.

But with Transformation you're generally better off with a solid sword and two-handed grip late game.

 

[ArchAngel]

So instead of 3 to 4, he did 234. Close enough.

Yeah, but also it was full attack in one round - 763 with non-crit Spellstrike.
Far from record, but a solid round.

But with Transformation you're generally better off with a solid sword and two-handed grip late game.

So you don't actually attack with spells but cast Transformation and hit stuff with a sword?! Why not play EK instead? You get full BAB and can get free quickened spells with critical hits..

 

[Haplo]

Cause EK probably can't do half melee damage an SS can - particularly when spending AP.

Also EK can't easily tank early on and has worse progression.

An SS always has great AC and the right tools for the job - sufficient weapon enchantment to surpass any DR, Spellstrike to effectively damage enemies with DR that cannot be beaten - like elementals, Ghost touch VS ghosts, Brilliant Energy vs high armor (though its least useful).

 

[Desiderius]

So instead of 3 to 4, he did 234. Close enough.

Yeah, but also it was full attack in one round - 763 with non-crit Spellstrike.
Far from record, but a solid round.

But with Transformation you're generally better off with a solid sword and two-handed grip late game.

Well, I just popped Perfection and Annihilation so it’s time to pass the torch to Dragon/Angel Tristian. We’ll see how he does. Touch of Good has been handy to ace all the Pitax skill checks so far.

 

[Haplo]

Touch of Good is fantastic!

 

[Desiderius]

Cause EK probably can't do half melee damage an SS can - particularly when spending AP.

Also EK can't easily tank early on and has worse progression.

An SS always has great AC and the right tools for the job - sufficient weapon enchantment to surpass any DR, Spellstrike to effectively damage enemies with DR that cannot be beaten - like elementals, Ghost touch VS ghosts, Brilliant Energy vs high armor (though its least useful).

Sorc EK would end up with better progression, but EK is too vanilla. SS gets a million very good abilities. Weapon enchanting classes are underrated.

 

[Ramnozack]

Cause EK probably can't do half melee damage an SS can - particularly when spending AP.

Also EK can't easily tank early on and has worse progression.

An SS always has great AC and the right tools for the job - sufficient weapon enchantment to surpass any DR, Spellstrike to effectively damage enemies with DR that cannot be beaten - like elementals, Ghost touch VS ghosts, Brilliant Energy vs high armor (though its least useful).

What makes you say EK cant do as much damage as a SS? Don't have much experience with SS, but from what I've seen they shouldn't be to much better than what the EK can do.

EK ends up with 4 attacks and 16 BAB if built right (higher than SS I believe? Or does SS have full BAB progression?), level 7-9 spells which is a big deal in and of itself, access to spells Magus can't normally get, namely sense vitals amongst others (unless you use spell blending with the EA mod I suppose, still can only go up to level 6 though), can actually make use of arcane strike feat, etc.

My EK build also has decent AC, maybe not as good as a sword saint, but pretty good nonetheless thanks to a monk dip and protectors robes and with all the usual arcane defensive spells is pretty tanky.

I'm curious as to what you think of the EK class as a whole.

 

[Pink Eye]

God. I think I found my new addiction. Eldritch Scoundrel is the bee's knees.

Also power attack meme needs to die. All of my frontiers have it, and I am still hitting shit. People who complain about it's penalty to attack, are over exaggerating it. If your attack bonus is not greater than the enemy's AC. Then you need to 1) Buff up 2) Lower enemy's AC from other means or 3) Restart, because your character is clearly under optimized.

 

[Yosharian]

Wait what. How does that work

Once you catch up to him in the Keep and ice the Defaced Sister, you can demand that he give you the Eye rather than destroy it. He refuses and turns hostile if you keep insisting. Not sure if you need to be Evil for this, I don't remember.

The Eye itself is then slotted into your belt and makes every spell you cast as if you were using Extend Spell Metamagic, automatically. You can also use it three times per day to cast True Sight on yourself, but you need to pass a Wisdom check or you suffer consequences.

The description of the Eye says you need to be Neutral Evil to use it, but my Lawful Evil SS used it just fine.

Holy crap that's awesome, shame about the evil requirement though. I guess it's something fun for an evil character.

 

[Yosharian]

Posting high damage criticals is one thing, acting like Vital Strike is better than iterative attacks is another, especially when you're relying on Lead Blades wands.

A 700 damage crit looks impressive but with only one attack per round you won't crit that often compared to iterative attacks, most of which will land on average unless your character is built like shit.

It might well be the case that Vital Strike, together with Ovirrbane and Lead Blades, actually does outdamage iterative attacks, but I'd like to see the math first before we all start circle-jerking over a 700 damage crit.

 

[Yosharian]

By the way Haplo I'd really appreciate it if you posted that build because I too have been reconsidering my stance on Dex vs Str.

Oh and also an AC breakdown would be fantastic too