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Pathfinder Pathfinder: Kingmaker - Enhanced Plus Edition - now with turn-based combat

Discussion in 'Owlcat Games' started by Elex, Nov 20, 2018.

  1. Yosharian Magister

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    Trying to retool my MC for a LE playthrough but just can't find a niche an Evil character would be better at

    Protector's Robes are just too damn OP
     
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  2. Desiderius Found your egg, Robinett, you sneaky bastard Patron

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    Yes, Trip is viable at any point. Ask the master Haplo.
     
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  3. NJClaw OoOoOoOoOoh Patron

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    Since you can stack Agile Maneuvers and Fury's Fall, with a Dexterity-focused ranged Kineticist you almost never fail your trip attempts, even against the biggest creatures. It's funny because you can trip some creatures that don't even have a "tripped" animation. There is a big hidden pleasure to explore in tripping giant plants.

    I have never tried, but I'm sure it's even easier with a Strength-focused melee Kineticist, since you can benefit from spells like Enlarge Person and Legendary Proportions.
     
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  4. Funposter Liturgist

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    I remember finding it hilariously easy on a first playthrough, and then when I tried to do it a second time he just refused to be baited. It was really bizarre.
     
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  5. Yosharian Magister

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    Bite stacking though... lame
     
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  6. Desiderius Found your egg, Robinett, you sneaky bastard Patron

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    Are you sure Agile stacks with Fury? And STR-based doesn't work since Kin's CMB is tied to CON (even PsychoKin, which shouldn't be).
     
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  7. NJClaw OoOoOoOoOoh Patron

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    Last time I played the two feats stacked.

    I forgot about the Constitution thing... I think I'm going to build one to see if it works anyways.
     
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  8. Pink Eye Monk Patron

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    Yeah. If you go the sun area he just sits and throws rocks at you. If you try to bait and run to the shadows. He still throws rocks at you. You have to baby him by going super close to him. Then moving inch by inch, until you got him at the sunlight. I only did it for the steam achievement. It isn't worth it. I spent over an hour running around in circles.
     
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  9. DalekFlay Arcane Patron

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    I was like "man how do I get this fucker to follow me in here" and tried for a while, then said fuck it and attacked him and he went down easily. Kind of disappointing.
     
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  10. Pink Eye Monk Patron

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    First playthrough I assumed he was invulnerable. And the whole gimmick was to get him into the sunlight.
     
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    This seems like an analogy for chaining unfair monk playthroughs.
     
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  12. Pink Eye Monk Patron

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    Well, here is the finale.... Irovetti's greatness! Irovetti's triumph! Irovetti's death! Three acts, just as they teach at the Academy. Ah, screw the Academy! I'm a bard myself - and not the worst one at that! I know better than most that glory and grandeur last no longer than bubbles in a glass of fizzy wine!
     
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  13. Pink Eye Monk Patron

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    By the way, if my monk video spam is annoying. Let me know and I'll stop it.
     
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  14. Hóngwèibīng Arcane Vatnik

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    Keep going, buddy. :salute:
     
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  15. LannTheStupid Товарищ Patron

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    I don't know, I killed him twice by the sunlight already. It's kind of fascinating to kill Kargadd without any shots or strikes. But I am using "Expeditious Retreat" on all the melee and fight by pressing 'V', so that's that.
     
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  16. Haplo Cipher Patron

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    Not sure if Agile + Fury's Fall works. I think it used to at some point.
    However high Str + Size modifiers + high Dex probably beat it (think Mutagen bonuses for example).

    Kineticist is pretty bad CMB-wise. He does have the advantage of aoe Combat Maneuvers (or multiple attempts per round with Blade).

    Yosharian: you can trip pretty much anything, provided that you optimize.
    Key optimizations include: Shatter Defenses, Crippling Strike, use of Mastery fauchard. High BAB also helps, of course.
    You should manage nearly 60-ish CMB (and heavily debuff enemy CMD).
     
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  17. NJClaw OoOoOoOoOoh Patron

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    Agile Maneuvers and Fury's Fall do stack. These are two instances of a trip attempt made against the same enemy, the only difference is that the second character has Agile Maneuvers:
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    The two characters have Dexterity 20 and Constitution 18.

    Thanks to how CMD and CMB work, even a medium BAB class without size increments can excel at tripping opponents. Bonuses for Large and Huge sizes are not that impressive. Once you have Shatter Defenses and a high Dexterity, you can trip almost anything.
     
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  18. Haplo Cipher Patron

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    Well, I remember some late game enemies, for example Wild Hunt Monarchs, having north of 60 CMD - before debuffing. So not that easy to trip. But much easier once you cut them to size with Shatter Defences and a few Crippling Strikes / other debuffs.

    Dex is not that good IMO, as you definately should be using the Mastery fauchard if you're a CM specialist - and that can't be finessed.
     
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  19. NJClaw OoOoOoOoOoh Patron

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    A kineticist can benefit from Mastery CMB bonus AND its damage on a successful trip attempt:
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    Same character as before (without Agile Maneuvers), but this time with Mastery equipped.
     
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  20. Haplo Cipher Patron

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    That's cool, I have wondered if that would work.
     
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  21. NJClaw OoOoOoOoOoh Patron

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    The idea of a bunch of enemies tripped by a Deadly Earth and then all cut from the blade without a single movement is almost too anime.
     
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  22. Yosharian Magister

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    Hmm. So Alchemist?

    Do you even need bites if you're just activating Trip to get Mastery's bonus attack? Slightly confused as to whether I should be optimizing for repeatedly pressing the trip button, or optimizing for auto-trips on bite

    Isn't a high BAB more effective than a medium BAB class with STR boosts? +8 STR is only +4 CMB right? And you lose that much from going medium BAB..
     
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  23. Haplo Cipher Patron

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    You seem to have it backwards. Mastery provides the bonus hit AFTER you land a Maneuver. So either you attack with main hand (optionally offhnad), Bite & Trip (potentially 3 or maybe even 5 times per round if you stack Bites and manually switch targets mid-round) and Mastery delivers its bonus hits (in addition to Trip AoOs if you have Greater Trip) or you use the Trip button to launch a single Trip Maneuver Standard Action and can get a single AoO and a single Mastery bonus hit.

    A level 16 Alchemist also gets +6 Dex in addition to 8 Str. So that's +7 (+5 at level 12 Greater Mutagen). Can Transform for missing 5 BAB. And self-cast Legendary Proportions for 2 Size bonus. And can Crippling Strike to rapidly lower enemy CMD. But sure, full BAB classes are good also.
    Particularly if they can buff their BAB further, like Barbarian with his Rage. I'm guessing Fighter Weapon Training doesn't affect Combat Maneuvers... or does it?
     
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  24. Desiderius Found your egg, Robinett, you sneaky bastard Patron

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    I would guess that it would, but unfortunately at this point it's just that, guesswork. True Strike does work though:

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    Important point about CMs is this:

    They don't care about AC. Use that as the basis for your build. Also, Ghosts are immune to Trip. Main benefit of Bite/Cloak is that it's free (no Feats). If you're making a Trip build (using the Feats) then you don't need Bite/Cloak. You don't get even Greater Mutation until Alch 12 and Grand is 16, so can't really build around that if you're also planning to splash something. By the time those come online you should have other ways to connect.
     
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  25. Angalith Barely Literate

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    Greetings pathfinder companions!. I am new in this forum and I would like to ask you something to see if you can help me.

    A few days ago I am playing the game and I have reached the part of the "Season of Blossom" where I have to kill a giant flower but it is impossible. What happens to me is:

    - My group splits in two at a certain point in the mission
    - I kill her with the first group. Specifically I burn the giant plant.
    - Eliminate some enemies with the second group.
    - My group meets again.

    And here comes the problem, with the second group it is impossible to kill, it never falls, neither with fire nor anything. I have seen a YouTube video where a dialogue sequence between my party should be activated but nothing is activated. Is it a bug ?. Can you use any cheat to overcome it?

    I am with version 2.0.8 of the game.

    Thanks new friends! :oops:
     
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